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Originally Posted by cossie1600 You wont see jackshit on the dyno because the AC shuts off when you go wot. 3HP can run a 4 ton compressor. My 4 ton

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Old 06-02-2012, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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You wont see jackshit on the dyno because the AC shuts off when you go wot. 3HP can run a 4 ton compressor.
My 4 ton home Ac unit pulls 14500 watts... roughly 19 horsepower. 3 horsepower won't run a 4 ton AC compressor but I don't see our little car ac compressors pulling much more than a standard window AC unit that pulls between 2-3 horsepower or 2500-2300 watts depending on BTU rating.
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My 4 ton home Ac unit pulls 14500 watts... roughly 19 horsepower. 3 horsepower won't run a 4 ton AC compressor but I don't see our little car ac compressors pulling much more than a standard window AC unit that pulls between 2-3 horsepower or 2500-2300 watts depending on BTU rating.
2-3hp would be unnoticeable. Rpms go up at idle and I hear a big difference in my exhaust note when driving as my engine is more labored. If you are in touch with your vehicle's behavior at all you will notice lack of power and it is definitely present. I know when I feel sluggish I look down and sure enough the a/c is on. I wouldn't notice if it were only 2-3 hp. Searching on the net I have seen figures 5-15. I think our cars are on the high side or I am just very sensitive to noticing power change.
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I've used my A/C on track several times to keep the windshield defogged in misty conditions. There was no difference in car feel, acceleration or lap times. An auto A/C compressor isn't quite as efficient as a home unit but the comparison isn't that far off. Power is power as was stated, the difference is in a direct drive compressor you will feel the drag more than the power loss (flywheel effect) and in the low rpm range where the car isn't making much power. At most it pulls 5hp when active and it does seem to disengage under WOT. You'll notice 5hp in a 100hp car, but not so much in a 300hp car.
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I'm pretty sure the car has different ECU maps for use when the A/C compressor is on. The power you feel come back during WOT is the car switching maps. The timing, idle speed, etc are very different when the A/C compressor is on. Thus, who knows what power you do or dont lose, but its true that the compressor itself doesnt take up 15 hp.
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I'm pretty sure the car has different ECU maps for use when the A/C compressor is on. The power you feel come back during WOT is the car switching maps. The timing, idle speed, etc are very different when the A/C compressor is on. Thus, who knows what power you do or dont lose, but its true that the compressor itself doesnt take up 15 hp.
I don't think it's a different engine map.
It's the A/C clutch disengaging & putting less load on the engine. The compressors clutch is controlled by a pressure switch. It's cycling off & on every few seconds.
The temp control only controlls how much hot air is allowed to mix with the chilled air, it does not control how long the compressor stays on or off.
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I've used my A/C on track several times to keep the windshield defogged in misty conditions. There was no difference in car feel, acceleration or lap times. An auto A/C compressor isn't quite as efficient as a home unit but the comparison isn't that far off. Power is power as was stated, the difference is in a direct drive compressor you will feel the drag more than the power loss (flywheel effect) and in the low rpm range where the car isn't making much power. At most it pulls 5hp when active and it does seem to disengage under WOT. You'll notice 5hp in a 100hp car, but not so much in a 300hp car.

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2-3hp would be unnoticeable. Rpms go up at idle and I hear a big difference in my exhaust note when driving as my engine is more labored. If you are in touch with your vehicle's behavior at all you will notice lack of power and it is definitely present. I know when I feel sluggish I look down and sure enough the a/c is on. I wouldn't notice if it were only 2-3 hp. Searching on the net I have seen figures 5-15. I think our cars are on the high side or I am just very sensitive to noticing power change.
If the ac compressor is overfilled it can cause a drag on the system when it's on.
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