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Bong1012 07-16-2012 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 1823915)
hmmm i wouldn't know until I do mine in the next few weeks....

If the sensor is always on also seat bet light should be on as well right?

Its been a PITA with this airbag light. I can't get rid of it.
Seat belts (female ends) were transferred over from the stock seats to my Sparcos.
The seat belt light is a different light than the airbag light on the dash. I beleive... But everything is connected...

12nismo 07-18-2012 03:51 PM

Does anyone know if you can buy the finnished set-up (plug and play) instead of the DIY (stripping, soldering, etc.)?

12nismo 07-18-2012 04:00 PM

I guess what I'm wondering is if anyone sells this? \/
http://www.the370z.com/members/equin...-each-seat.jpg

martin82 07-18-2012 04:08 PM

you can just solder longer leads and plug it straight to the plug or even slide the resister into the harness and just tape it up...

martin82 07-18-2012 04:57 PM

has anyone measured resistance on the passenger weight sensor? I will be installing both racing seats so I will need to figure something out here. I prob would just like to wire it so the air bag thinks there's always a passenger and not transfer the weight sensor (needs removal of seat) per the service manual.

edconline 07-18-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sixpax (Post 1814771)
Yes. If you do the reset sequence, when you are done you will notice the dash indicator blinks two times slow, followed by 5 fast flashes. This pattern indicates the weight sensor is malfunctioning (in our case becuase it ain't hooked up) ... I am not a rocket scientist but everything I have read would indicate all air bags are functioning properly except for the passenger side. Not sure yet how I am going to fix that.

Awesome, didn't see your reply before, thanks! I'll have to pull the weight sensor out and hook it up with the new seat. Repped.

martin82 07-18-2012 06:37 PM

I will be in the same boat in 2 weeks or so, I will see if I can find impendance when someone is on the seat and without it.... see if 1) can make a toggle switch without the sensor or 2) leave it on all the time...

sixpax 07-18-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by edconline (Post 1827008)
Awesome, didn't see your reply before, thanks! I'll have to pull the weight sensor out and hook it up with the new seat. Repped.

Pleasure. It's on page SRC-182 in the service manual (2010) ... that code sequence means the classification unit is malfunctioning. Anyone changing out seats will prolly benefit from that page as it has a chart with all the sequences. :tup:

martin82 07-18-2012 10:45 PM

I know the DIY says 1/4 watt does it matter if I use a 5 watt?
I know the difference is how many watts it can take before burning up so technically it should matter right?

sixpax 07-18-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 1827342)
I know the DIY says 1/4 watt does it matter if I use a 5 watt?
I know the difference is how many watts it can take before burning up so technically it should matter right?

Technically I think that's right ... I think the 4.7 Ohms fools the system, and like you say the watts only comes into play if the system says to deploy an airbag ...

martin82 07-19-2012 12:33 AM

I will have to see but I don't even think it makes a difference if the airbag blows, other bags will still deploy no issues as long as the 4.7 ohms is there...... But I have no idea how it works. From what I remember in highschool the more watts is just that how many watts until it burns up...... Maybe someone else has more insight on this?


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martin82 07-19-2012 01:29 AM

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Picked up a 2 watt 4.7 ohm resistor frys didn't have a 1/4 watt. Also picked up crimp connectors I can stick straight into the harness or also bought a made cable I can solder the resistor too and modify the plug. Maybe this weekend I will measure ohms on the passenger seat weight sensor and see what I gotta do.... I will update again once I do


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sixpax 07-19-2012 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 1827484)
Picked up a 2 watt 4.7 ohm resistor frys didn't have a 1/4 watt. Also picked up crimp connectors I can stick straight into the harness or also bought a made cable I can solder the resistor too and modify the plug. Maybe this weekend I will measure ohms on the passenger seat weight sensor and see what I gotta do.... I will update again once I do


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That would be cool ... I would love to fix mine so it thinks someone is sitting in the passenger seat ...

martin82 08-10-2012 01:24 PM

I have spoke with a few people, didn't get a chance to do this myself, it looks like it is not just a matter of the right resistor for passenger side, we think it is actually sending information to one of the air bag modules............ I will give it a go in the next few weeks, for now my air bag light just blinks.......

dansracing 09-18-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 1862654)
I will give it a go in the next few weeks, for now my air bag light just blinks.......

I hope you guys figure it out because I would like to put racing seats in my car but I don't want any flashing lights going on, and I really want to keep the passenger side airbag armed.

Until then, i will hold off. Great info in this thread.

Bandit_Kaine 10-13-2012 08:55 AM

Is there any update on this? I want to change out both seats without taking the weight sensor out.. But if the passenger airbag doesn't work I can't risk putting my girlfriend in the car just in case of an accident.

dansracing 10-14-2012 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bandit_Kaine (Post 1959598)
Is there any update on this? I want to change out both seats without taking the weight sensor out.. But if the passenger airbag doesn't work I can't risk putting my girlfriend in the car just in case of an accident.

From what I understand, removing the weight sensor out of the OEM seat and installing it in the new seat is pretty simple and straight forward. I have a few friends who have done it.
To me the bigger concern is getting the lights off. Either way, my seats are on the way. As soon as I get them in, I will report. Should be within two weeks.

Calvin 10-15-2012 04:44 AM

Anyone know if it's possible to buy all the harnesses separately and the weight sensor ?? Can't find my stock seats -___- been lagging on doing this bypass now that I moved back in Idk where my stuff are in the basement total mess down there still:(

FireDan50 10-15-2012 01:32 PM

I've installed the resistors and tried the reset sequence but still haven't been able to get rid of the flashing light....i don't know if it requires putting in the weight sensor, but I'm guessing it does.

shayandude 10-19-2012 10:30 AM

Any updates on the passenger side yet?
Thanks in advance.

martin82 10-19-2012 02:04 PM

U will need the weight sensor pad and wiring... there's no way around it for now.... seems like there is some sort of communication between the weight sensor and air bag module and a simple resistor will not work. For now I am living with flashing air bag lights, my seat is a 1 piece bucket so not sure where to send the wire for the weight sensor... I could do it from the 6th point harness but the wires could get cut up when moved back and forth....

dansracing 11-07-2012 05:54 PM

I am installing my seats now and after removing the passenger seat there are 3 connectors. One for the weight sensor, and at least one for the airbag. Not sure what the third one is for yet. Will keep posting as I complete the job and figure it out.

martin82 11-07-2012 06:08 PM

air bag has 2 wires.... and 1 weight sensor...

dansracing 11-07-2012 06:56 PM

The third connector is the seat belt sensor. Taking the seat apart now to get the weight sensor out.

There are Three plugs on the passenger side seat in a 2012 Nismo.

Yellow Plug = Airbag (use the resistor)
Skinny White Plug = Seat Belt (runs to the seat belt, pretty simple to find and replace)
Medium White Plug = Weight Sensor (remove and replace in the new seat and plug in)

martin82 11-07-2012 07:00 PM

You do not need to plug in the sensor belt... I run without them clipped on so no more "no belts light"

surprised you don't have 4 connectors, my 2012 base+sports had all the heated wire/power seat stuff there... (I retrofitted them before I got recaro's)

dansracing 11-07-2012 08:10 PM

Thanks Martin....

Completed the passenger side, got lights at first but did the reset function (page 1 link) and it worked great. No more lights.

NOTE: I had planned to leave the car off, do the seat, plug everything back in before I ever re started the ignition and was going to hope for no lights. In the mean time, the wife goes out and turns the car on to re set the clock for me with everything un plugged I'm assuming that it put the system in trouble mode so at first plug in I had lights.

Again, after the re set process all is well! Will post pictures when completely finished.

dansracing 11-07-2012 09:56 PM

For the 4.7 ohm resistor. They have a +/- value to them and can vary within 5% I think. When I went to a local electronic store, they had several different looking 4.7 ohm 1/4 watt resistors. After measuring several of them, only one brand of the many that were there measured consistently 4.7 on the money. I purchased those and I have had good luck with the lights on my install.

However:
I'm not convinced on the weight sensor and how it actually works. When you remove it from the OEM seat, it sits on top of about 2.5 inches of foam, plus the there is a spring mesh under the seat which allows your but to sink down into the seat.
On my racing buckets, putting the sensor under the cushion and on top of the hard plastic or CF seat surface, the sensor sits static with no movement when you sit on it. The sensor can un arm and no lights will come on and you will NOT have a passenger side air bag.
The same sensor, alerts the car that the seat belt is not fastened if a person is sitting there. So theoretically, and if you have all of the harnesses plugged in (weight sensor, seat belt sensor cable, and SRS resistor in place) and you can sit in the passenger seat without the seat belt on and the light and alarm does not sound. It tells me that the weight sensor is not functioning correctly and it does not think someone is in the front seat.
I'm almost thinking that there should be some sort of pad under the sensor so it can have movement when someone sits on it. I don't think it works like a flat surface scale.

Just thinking......

martin82 11-08-2012 12:32 PM

I actually didn't know about the weight sensor and seat belt being together, I'll give that a check!!

dansracing 11-09-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2006712)
I actually didn't know about the weight sensor and seat belt being together, I'll give that a check!!

I was speculating because the drivers side is hard wired into the car. If it starts, it looks for that seatbelt to be fastened no matter what.
For the passenger side, it only calls for the seat belt if someone is sitting there. I have to assume that the weight sensor is part of that car logic.

martin82 11-09-2012 12:19 PM

I would like to bypass the passenger weight pad and leave the air bag on at all times....... but didn't get a chance to look at it...

dansracing 11-09-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by martin82 (Post 2008084)
I would like to bypass the passenger weight pad and leave the air bag on at all times....... but didn't get a chance to look at it...

I want to do that too but have no idea how. Get to work on it man! =)

martin82 11-09-2012 01:35 PM

haha its not a simple resistor!!!

dansracing 11-09-2012 06:53 PM

Ok, here is another teaser.

I have my seats installed and have no lights on regarding SRS or seatbelts etc. I decided to test the system by having my wife sit in the passenger seat and not fasten the seatbelt to see if its related.
She got in, I started it up and the "airbag off" light illuminated and the "fasten seatbelt" chime did not activate although the small seat belt light was on, on the instrument cluster.
I turned the car off, she got out, I re started it and no lights what so ever.

So it tells me that something is going on with the weight sensor. I'm thinking its in a position on the seat where not enough weight is being seen and it thinks a small child or light weight is in the seat so its dis arming the passenger bag.

Since i have never had a small child in the front seat, does anyone out there know if the air bag off light illuminates when a child is in the front seat?

Next I am going to try to re position the weight sensor since there is no movement on the racing seat bottom, I'm thinking that the sensor is not positioned in a way that when an adult sits in it that it sees all the weight.

dansracing 11-10-2012 01:19 PM

I believe I have the setup. Make sure if your doing this DIY that you check the resistors that you buy and make sure they are dead on 4.7 ohm's. Thats number one.

Number, two..... Once you remove a seat and dis connect the under seat plugs. Don't turn the car on until you are finished mounting the resistor on the yellow plug and re plugging the seat belt, and weight sensor cables. Otherwise you will have to do the "SRS reset" procedure from the link on page one.

Last. What I have found is that the position of the weight sensor pad is critical in order to make sure the passenger side air bag is armed when you have a passenger. In the case for my seats, I tried several positions to make it fail to arm and arm. The best position in my seats was to set the sensor pad farther back in the seat than you would imagine. The front edge of the sensor pad is setting about 4 inches back from the front edge of the seat. The small ECM box that is mounted to the back of the pad has to be pushed up the seat back a little. Depending on how thick your back cushion is, you will not notice the box against your back when you sit in. Basically, you may have to move the sensor around a bit to find the best spot in your seats for ensuring that it arms.

Good luck everyone!

Mr&Mrs 12-05-2012 11:27 AM

I will be doing this soon. Why can we not just unhook the battery like I did with my steering wheel AirBag removal/install? If you leave it unhooked until complete when you power back up the car it never knew anything was done.

Nice write up btw thanks!

Mr&Mrs 12-05-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dansracing (Post 2009436)

Basically, you may have to move the sensor around a bit to find the best spot in your seats for ensuring that it arms.

Good luck everyone!

I may have missed it but how do you know the airbag is armed?

GaleForce 12-05-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2046705)
I may have missed it but how do you know the airbag is armed?

I assume if you don't get a "warning" light all is good.

dansracing 12-18-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2046705)
I may have missed it but how do you know the airbag is armed?

The light on the passenger side of the car will be out (not lit) If its out and the car is running, its armed.

I did a friend of mines seats last week and with good resistors, it works great every time. He also had the same issue with the passenger weight sensor. Had to move it around in order to get it to arm with a passenger on board.

Mr&Mrs 12-18-2012 01:20 PM

Ok so the light will be on when the airbag is off. I will do some testing soon before I tackle putting these in.

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Originally Posted by dansracing (Post 2065482)
The light on the passenger side of the car will be out (not lit) If its out and the car is running, its armed.

I did a friend of mines seats last week and with good resistors, it works great every time. He also had the same issue with the passenger weight sensor. Had to move it around in order to get it to arm with a passenger on board.


VDC_OFF 12-18-2012 01:35 PM

My wife got to ride in my car for the first time after I installed my Bride Zeta III's. We noticed the airbag off light came on which was not supposed to happen since shes about 125-130lbs. I think you do need a small foam layer to go underneath the weight sensor so its not resting on the shell and can sink a bit to correctly measure weight change. Going to test this theory.

Another option i am considering is since the sensor was originally on top of the seat, I'm wondering if I should just take apart one of the bottom Bride cushions and put it on top as well. Problem is there are two cushions since they split in the middle so I would just have to choose one cushion to wrap it around.


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