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Originally Posted by 6MT I really believe you're missing the entire point of having oil tested. Or maybe, you just don't understand what an oil test looks for. You don't

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I really believe you're missing the entire point of having oil tested. Or maybe, you just don't understand what an oil test looks for. You don't just get results for "one or two" elements. And wear, being pretty important, is not the whole issue here.

An oil analysis checks the entire chemical spectrum. Can tell you what's in the oil after specific intervals. Can tell you, by the analysis, what's in the oil AND why. It can pinpoint problems at an early stage. It can show potential problems with the engine or other systems (such as air intake or exhaust systems) early enough to correct BEFORE the issue turns into a major problem.

I'll give you a shining example. I had my oil tested at 9800 kms. My third oil change. The interval was around 4200 kms for the life of the oil that was tested. It showed minute (and I mean very small) amounts of the metals associated with normal break-in on an engine (gas burning engine). Absolutely normal. And I expect that these will probably go even smaller as the engine wears further. (With regular "babying".) What WAS found was high amounts of carbon. IE: DIRT. What this showed was a problem with the filtration on the air intake. Without getting into arguments about K & N filters, let's just say THAT was the problem.

I had no idea that the K & N filters were allowing so much dirt into the engine. I quickly solved the problem (again, no K & N bashing). I had the oil tested again at 12000 kms. Even better results with the metals (smaller amounts). BUT... the carbon was almost gone.

To make a long post about testing end, I'll just say that I was convinced oil analysis caught a potential problem very early. I had no idea that this was happening. The test showed me the issue. I corrected it and now the results are even better.

Say what you want about testing and how you think it's a complete waste of time and money. For me, the example above shows just how important it can be. I know, this debate "can" be as endless as the oil debate itself. But with just my example, it shows what it can discover AND whether it may need attention.

(btw, I replaced the K & N filters with AFE dry filters. Problem solved.)

Agreed, the oil analysis also tests for the properties of the oil such as viscosity. In your example, carbon, was detected in the oil through the oil analysis. Your filter was probably defective. I say this because I have used K&N for years without issues along with millions of others. However, you were lucky because it was an easy fix - replace the filter. On the other hand, how long would your engine have lasted if gone undetected? Who knows really. Your oil filter may have been able to filter out the debris. Oil filters do not filter out all particles as you know. They only filter down to a size which is considered acceptable that those particles that do pass through won't do harm to the engine or they recirculate through back to the oil filter. Also keep in mind, the analysis only detects the elements that have leeched into the oil and not the actual particles themselves. Now if the oil filter was sent to the lab, a filter debris analysis could be performed. So, even though the analysis identified a problem, it does not mean that damage was inevitable over time. Hence, maybe the problem was not that serious to begin with. But, who knows for sure. You are happy with oil analyzing. I don't bother. Engines today are very reliable when scheduled maintenance is performed.
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Uh.... it wasn't the oil filter causing the problem. It was the air filters. And the problem WAS quite serious. The carbon detected was 42 times the acceptable level.

You also ask "how long would the engine have lasted if it had gone undetected"? Well, not as long without needing some kind of internal repair for damage caused by the excessive dirt. If you want a figure...... let's say under 50,000 kilometers (a guess).

Again, I think it shows the benifits of oil analysis testing. It may cost some money ($19.95), but it saves money, time, and heartache.
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Uh.... it wasn't the oil filter causing the problem. It was the air filters. And the problem WAS quite serious. The carbon detected was 42 times the acceptable level.

You also ask "how long would the engine have lasted if it had gone undetected"? Well, not as long without needing some kind of internal repair for damage caused by the excessive dirt. If you want a figure...... let's say under 50,000 kilometers (a guess).

Again, I think it shows the benifits of oil analysis testing. It may cost some money ($19.95), but it saves money, time, and heartache.
Too bad you didn't replace the air filter with another K&N to know with greater certainty that they are a crappy filter. I don't think they are and still feel yours was defective.

I understand what you're saying but understand why I mentioned your oil filter. Was not the carbon detected in the oil? Then it was passing through to the oil and then into the oil filter, no? How much carbon was the oil filter trapping or were the particles so small they just passed through the oil filter and recirculated continually being held in suspension in the oil? Now do you see why I mentioned the oil filter? I'm not trying to win any argument but I'm saying there is more to the numbers than just saying it was 42 times higher and that equates to catastrophic failure. I know you didn't say that but some in here would believe that. But a 100 times higher could still be acceptable if the particles were drained out at the next change and the next change and so on (constant flushing out of the contaminants) and still not cause damage for say, 50000 as you suggest or maybe even 100,000. Neither one of us knows the answer and as you said can only guess. You were lucky you could flush your problem away. Internal wear is a different ballgame.
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