Would you buy a new 370z that has been in a minor accident?

ChrisSlicks · 03-16-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

I would, for a better deal than that. 500 under invoice is about what I paid for mine minus the accident :P

Tell them no, and then see what back pedaling they do. At least $2K under invoice.

I would be concerned about hidden damage to the differential, axle, drive-shaft and transmission. Warranty doesn't guarantee coverage because the damage was caused by abuse. Not your abuse, but they don't care!

Snakes709 · 03-16-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Tell them no, and then see what back pedaling they do. At least $2K under invoice.

I would be concerned about hidden damage to the differential, axle, drive-shaft and transmission. Warranty doesn't guarantee coverage because the damage was caused by abuse. Not your abuse, but they don't care!

Good point, also if they did a report up and it never left the dealership then Nissan wouldnt know about it. All parts that are replaced by the dealership under warrenty, has to go to the head office/factory of Nissan to get looked at. That being said, if the report did go to the Nissan head office they would have made a report and therefore will most liking show up on carfax or some other system that the car has been in a accident. Dealerships cant control that whether they say it or not.

So if the dealership said it wont show up on carfax or any other system is bs and also if the dealership made a deal with you that they will replace parts under warrenty if it was caused by the accident that arent coverd under warrenty due to abuse then Nissan office wont accept the warrenty work....either you will have to pay for it or the dealership will have to pay for it.

Not saying this WILL happen but its something to think about.

Zolfix · 03-16-2010, 09:29 PM

Thanks for the replies guys! Will definitely get proper third party inspection now.

Nikon FM · 03-16-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

The dealer around here has a brand new (just 20km) fully loaded 6mt 2010 370z that has been in a minor accident. After 1.5h of negotiating I got them down to 500 under invoice + a full set of nice aftermarket rims (~2.5k)

On the accident:

The dealership's employee crashed the car. He did a 180, hit a curb (major curb rash on original wheels, hence aftermarket wheels), and hit something stationary with his rear bumper. The bumper itself suffered a major dent and apparently a few parts behind the bumper were also damaged. The dealership claims that absolutely everything that even had a scratch on it, has been entirely replaced. Nothing was "repaired" or repainted. No metal has been damaged at all, only plastic parts and only bolt ons, which were all replaced.

I saw a lot of pictures of the car after the accident and it did not look so bad. They even showed me their full repair bill and it was 4.5k. They claim that since it is a new car, if anything at all were to go wrong then it would be fixed under warranty. I intend to pay for extended full 7 year warranty as well.

This accident was not recorded at all and does not show up on carfax.

If I were to go for an accident free new car, it would cost me 2.5k more and no aftermarket rims.

Would you do it? If so, would you pay for a third party inspection? I need to decide in the next 24h...

Thanks!

Possibly would buy, but only if they paid for a second party inspection by your choice in addition to the price reduction. If they showed you a $4.5k repair bill I would guess that their cost wasn't even close to that. The inspection should take the engine/power train and suspension into consideration.

I believe a better option is to just buy a new one that is clean (from another dealership that does not beat their cars) and feel that much better about the purchase.

Xan · 03-16-2010, 09:24 PM

Not worth it to me, all you get is some rims now and potential problem for the next years...

Mannysrt8 · 03-17-2010, 01:14 PM

Theres one being sold in for 24K

2010 w/sport pckg

Its red and its auto.

It had no accident but was titled salvage as when the dealer took delivery they hit the roof of the car when it was being took off the truck...corner of the roof had to be repaired...because of this it was title salvage as it was a brand new car.

Im thinking about getting it.

SoCal 370Z · 03-16-2010, 09:35 PM

No, and here is why:

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

The dealership's employee crashed the car. He did a 180, hit a curb (major curb rash on original wheels, hence aftermarket wheels), and hit something stationary with his rear bumper. The bumper itself suffered a major dent and apparently a few parts behind the bumper were also damaged. The dealership claims that absolutely everything that even had a scratch on it, has been entirely replaced. Nothing was "repaired" or repainted. No metal has been damaged at all, only plastic parts and only bolt ons, which were all replaced.

This Z has already seen a life of abuse—and it's new!

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

I saw a lot of pictures of the car after the accident and it did not look so bad. They even showed me their full repair bill and it was 4.5k. They claim that since it is a new car, if anything at all were to go wrong then it would be fixed under warranty. I intend to pay for extended full 7 year warranty as well.

In an accident "looks" are deceiving. The dealer states "nothing has been repaired" but this is not what he should have said. Instead this 370Z should has been placed atop the proper body alignment racks and its manufacturers alignment points referenced to determine whether the chassis has been skewed. Also, a full four-wheel alignment must be done (and hopefully was not done to hide any discrepancies). Ever seen a car "crabbing" down the road from behind? That's because it was not properly repaired and its chassis was left in a misaligned, and damaged state. When a vehicle is like this it can wear tires prematurely, never be properly wheel aligned, pull to one side or the other, and be unsafe in another accident as the chassis is compromised.

Below are some the factory specs to be used on frame alignment rack:

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

This accident was not recorded at all and does not show up on carfax.

Carfax IMHO is utterly useless and the fact the dealer has not used it this instance, but I am sure will use when it is convenient, screams "no sale." You are already dealing with a disingenuous dealer.

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

If I were to go for an accident free new car, it would cost me 2.5k more and no aftermarket rims.

Don't the factory rims MSRP for more than that?

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

Would you do it? If so, would you pay for a third party inspection? I need to decide in the next 24h...

Hell no. When's a deal not a deal? When's it abuse. Walk away.

If you are still hellbent on purchasing this Z then at least print out and show the dealer this post and ask them to refute what I've written. Thanks.

Zolfix · 03-16-2010, 09:45 PM

Can frame alignment be checked in another body shop?

SoCal 370Z · 03-16-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

Can frame alignment be checked in another body shop?

Yes

frost · 03-16-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

Can frame alignment be checked in another body shop?

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Yes

Never had this done. Sounds expensive.

Zolfix · 03-16-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Yes

Say I get them to foot the bill for a full checkup including the check for frame alignment - would you do it then? Assuming all is well of course...

SoCal 370Z · 03-16-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zolfix

Say I get them to foot the bill for a full checkup including the check for frame alignment - would you do it then? Assuming all is well of course...

Too subjective as I would have to meet the players and review the automobile. Some dealers will promise you a lot, but the minute you sign the papers they fall into a memory lapse. The old saying "get it in writing" applies heavily in this situation.

FricFrac · 03-16-2010, 10:18 PM

Not worth the chance - ask NXTAZEE about his dealership coverup on his last car - I'll bet he'd give you a resounding "NO WAY!"

shabarivas · 03-16-2010, 10:21 PM

stock rims + tires from the dealer if they are 19s cost north of 4k... you are probably getting some wheels + tires that cost 2k... if you get another 3k off price i would do it...

People are getting Zs for that price un-damaged!! also what tires do the "aftermarket" wheels come with? Quite honestly - I would not buy a car from a dealer who condones that type of behavior -think about what else that car could have been through?

Zolfix · 03-16-2010, 10:40 PM

I will get that inspection done later this week and keep you guys updated. It was most likely nothing more than cosmetic damage, but I definitely want to make sure and I will also get them to put in writing that they will warranty any issues that come up due to their accident.

Should I call Nissan directly and let them know of the situation? The dealership is willing to say in writing that the car is 100% good as new.

To the people saying that it is possible to get this deal on a normal car - I've spent in total 10 hours negotiating with different dealerships and all I can get is $2k over invoice, so no it is not possible for me in Ottawa. I got under invoice for the G35 I am currently driving so it is not my negotiation skills. They are simply not budging here.

I forgot what rims/tires they have on it now, but they did offer to put on new OEMs for me.

I definitely appreciate all the advice!

03-16-2010, 10:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
FricFrac A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 1,481 Drives: 370Z 300ZX 280ZX 240 Rep Power: 229	Not worth the chance - ask NXTAZEE about his dealership coverup on his last car - I'll bet he'd give you a resounding "NO WAY!" __________________ '09 370Z - '93 300ZX Vert - '83 280ZX - '83 280ZXT -'81 280ZXT stroker - '72 240Z - Stillen CBE, HFC, G3, Grounding Kit, Sways // Swift Spring // H&R 15mm // 5% Tint // Clear Bra //

03-16-2010, 10:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Zolfix Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 35 Drives: '10 370z 6MT Rep Power: 16	I will get that inspection done later this week and keep you guys updated. It was most likely nothing more than cosmetic damage, but I definitely want to make sure and I will also get them to put in writing that they will warranty any issues that come up due to their accident. Should I call Nissan directly and let them know of the situation? The dealership is willing to say in writing that the car is 100% good as new. To the people saying that it is possible to get this deal on a normal car - I've spent in total 10 hours negotiating with different dealerships and all I can get is $2k over invoice, so no it is not possible for me in Ottawa. I got under invoice for the G35 I am currently driving so it is not my negotiation skills. They are simply not budging here. I forgot what rims/tires they have on it now, but they did offer to put on new OEMs for me. I definitely appreciate all the advice! Last edited by Zolfix; 03-16-2010 at 10:42 PM.

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03-16-2010, 09:29 PM	#3 (permalink)
Zolfix Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 35 Drives: '10 370z 6MT Rep Power: 16	Thanks for the replies guys! Will definitely get proper third party inspection now.

03-16-2010, 09:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
Xan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts:99999999999999 Posts: 3,301 Drives: 370Z 40th Aniversary Rep Power: 25	Not worth it to me, all you get is some rims now and potential problem for the next years...

03-17-2010, 01:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mannysrt8 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Vancouver Posts: 254 Drives: 370z & Optima SX Rep Power: 16	Theres one being sold in for 24K 2010 w/sport pckg Its red and its auto. It had no accident but was titled salvage as when the dealer took delivery they hit the roof of the car when it was being took off the truck...corner of the roof had to be repaired...because of this it was title salvage as it was a brand new car. Im thinking about getting it.

03-16-2010, 09:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Zolfix Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 35 Drives: '10 370z 6MT Rep Power: 16	Can frame alignment be checked in another body shop?

03-16-2010, 10:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 915	stock rims + tires from the dealer if they are 19s cost north of 4k... you are probably getting some wheels + tires that cost 2k... if you get another 3k off price i would do it... People are getting Zs for that price un-damaged!! also what tires do the "aftermarket" wheels come with? Quite honestly - I would not buy a car from a dealer who condones that type of behavior -think about what else that car could have been through?