2017 370z
 

Approximately what date will the 2017 370Z Enthusiast (AKA base) arrive at Canadian dealerships? (Put differently, approximately what date last year did the '16s arrive at dealerships?)

Does anyone know whether that trim for the '17 will have any features that the '16s do not have?

The reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking that at this point in the model year that if the price of the '17 is the same as that of the '16, I'd wait for the '17.

Thanks for the information.

The last time I spoke to my dealership there was a $500 price difference and no spec difference but just call a dealer they got the pricing etc at least a month ago.. what color are you going with?

Probably red.

Thanks for the spec and price info.

Do you know approximately what date the '17 will arrive in showrooms?

you might be able to haggle a better price on the 16' as there isn't anything major changing in terms of performance.

you might also want to consider the sports package since it comes with bigger brakes, 19'' rays, SRM and a LSD

Yea but here in Canada the sport package is an additional $14k.As ridiculous
as it sounds the base is 30k and the sport package is 44k,that 14k can do a lot in the aftermarket.

by the time you buy bbk, better wheels (and have to stay on par to the OEM rays no cheap POS) and an LSD you are at 14k CDN easy

IMO the SRM is also worth mentioning as a +(positive)

not to mention the tires on the sport package are better.........

My wife and I are retired Edmontonians and are looking for the first, and probably last, summer toy of our lives. We're not racers and I likely won't be doing any mods. The most "abuse" we (I) will subject the vehicle to is the occasional stop-light drag race and some spirited driving through the mountains.

We almost never listen to the radio or CDs in a vehicle, so the basic radio is just fine with us.

The fact that this trim has cruise and blue tooth phone is great.

We would indeed like a backup camera, but I will install a very inexpensive aftermarket wifi backup-camera system, complete with adjustable guide lines.

The one and only problem, and it is a rather big one, is that my wife would prefer an auto, which as everybody knows, is not available on the Enthusiast. But like Red Green, she says she can live with a standard, "if I have to, I guess". The option of adding an auto trans for say $1200 would make the Enthusiast the perfect vehicle for us, but I guess that's not in the cards for the '17.

Re-sale value is important to us. Low-km used 370Zs, even '09s, are mostly priced at around $23K and upwards to within shooting distance of a brand new Enthusiast. Because we're not getting any younger, I doubt if we'll own whatever we buy for more than 2 or 3 years and, obviously, we'd like to get back as much of the purchase price of the vehicle as possible. For example, were we to buy a '17 Enthusiast as soon as it becomes available (which is why I'm so interested in just exactly when that will be), if we decide to sell it two years down the road with under say 8K kms of rather gentle summer-only driving on it, I believe that we could sell it for just a couple thousand less that we paid for it. But maybe I'm dreaming, so please educate me.

Thanks.

I guess my point is that the base is a real bargain here in Canada.The base in the US sells for 30k in US funds with the sport package costing $33,570.That's only $3,357 to move up to the sport package which most would agree to be well worth it on the other side of the boarder,not so much here.

I went with the base model too I really wanted the LSD but 14k is a lot of cash.. at that point id probably just spend another 3k on top of that and get the nismo, 30k is a good deal for the base IMO

I know last year the 16's were available in late May.

here in Ca my 16 sport was about $3500 more than base, why would it be $14K up there? I wouldn't pay that much for an upgrade of this nature.

Thanks! Likely it will be the same month this year, which will be just fine.

I picked up my 16 base last Saturday and i don't find it lacking in anything. My situation is like yours being retired and dare i say older. I wouldn't spend 14k for the next model up either and I'm quite happy with what irreceived for 30k plus tax and freight. Smaller wheels means it rides not as stiffly as the other models and radio and interior are quite nice for me. Just breaking it in but this car obviously handles like a go kart and has way more power than I'll ever need. Enjoy your purchase.

Neither would we, but this is reality here In the great white north.

Good for you! Frankly, I have never driven a 370Z, but I have driven three 350Zs for very short rides. I had the same impression as you -- a car that handles like it's on rails. I would imagine that the 7 is the same. I don't usually get excited about vehicles, but I am at the prospect of driving one of these pocket rockets whenever I get the urge. It will be an expensive toy, but what the heck, we only live once and it's now or never.

I hear what you are saying,but with exchange the sport ($44,000) in Canada =$3366 in US funds,so that is in line.A better question would be "why is the base so cheap in Canada"??At $30,000 CAD here in Canada that = $22,962 in US funds for a new 2016 base 370z!!:eek:

I had special ordered a 2016 nismo in january from japan. In march they told me they stopped production of the 2016 and are making the 2017 now. I got my 2017 built just getting ready to be imported. They are charging me the same amount for the 2016 nismo for the 2017 nismo which is $52,600

I guess it's worth mentioning Canada's trims are base, touring, touring sport, nismo.

totally understand your situation though. the saving grace with SRM on the sport model is that it rev match for you and wife when she drives which will be a lot easier to play with.

Yes, I realize that the base does not have rev match. I drove manuals for many years, as did my wife. None of those vehicles had rev match. We and the vehicles survived quite well without it, but I must admit that I find it intriguing. The good thing is that it is a feature that will never ever malfunction on the base. :D

Does anyone see a big downside to not having LSD for more or less normal street driving?

FWIW, I thought that this was a good, frank review of the Canadian base:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ed0oXONZw

Ahh good on you! I turn my off once in awhile to practice incase it does malfunction or something.

not really in terms of the LSD... probably won't see a difference if you're not going spirited/track.

oh another thing to mention on touring are the power seats / heated seats if that's a game changer or not.

I'm a bit mixed for the review. hits some points misses others. 0-60 time is arguable and should really be mid 5's if he turned of VDC and launched properly. he said the steering is light but personally I feel it's a bit heavier than what I'm used to (Toyota's). rubbery shifting I found more 'notchy'? clutch play is funny as well. it catches close to the top of the pedal stroke.

there is also a lot of cabin noise in the car. it's very noticeable (regardless of trim) and gets worst as the tires wear down. a decent set of rubber should help calm it a bit.

one thing you're doing is your research... good on you buddy and hope you make the right purchase for your needs! oh if you do get it... welcome and have lots and lots of fun with it! :tiphat:

Thanks and thanks for the review of the video. AFAIK, the base does not have VDC.

We presently own a '10 Mit. Outlander, so we are experiencing road noise like you wouldn't believe. Our previous vehicle was a '92 Accord and it also had tremendous road noise. So we'll feel right at home with road noise.

We don't need or want heated/cooled seats in what will be our summer-only vehicle.

Although I have not yet driven a 370, I have sat in the red base that we're considering buying. There are a few reasons why I actually prefer the manual cloth seats (but I hope that the seat fabric is improved over Nissan's traditional, questionable-quality seat-fabrics).

First, I have slightly better legroom with the manual seat.

Second, because my wife and I are vastly different sizes, a vehicle's seat position for each of us is precisely the opposite in every direction. So the seat mechanism will be used a great deal, to its limits. After some initial practice, each of us will be able to adjust the seat position in a fraction of the time necessary for the power seat. Not only that, but, just like the non-existent rev-match, the non-existent power seat components will never ever need maintenance.;)

Third, my torso is generally more comfortable in the shape of the base's seat. I believe that the manual seat's side-bolsters are not as confining as the leather power seat's, but I might be wrong on that.

Additionally, I believe that as the seat cushioning "breaks in" over time, it will become even more comfortable.

Lastly, if the 7's seats' covers are removable like the 5's, should Nissan's delicate cloth fabric wear unacceptably, I can install aftermarket leather myself in a few hours for a few hundred.

We'll be taking a test ride in a few days and will report back our impressions of everything.

While I'm at it, is it "hands free" to unlock the vehicle's doors, or do you have to hit the "unlock" button on the FOB?

Thanks.

I am pretty sure all the trims of the cars have the VDC button (on the left hand side about the size of the start button) but I could be wrong. he did spin his tires at the start so he may have had it off. the sport does have better tires so that's probably another reason why he didn't get a good a time.

I haven't driven in any of the vehicles you mentioned so I can't compare. There are some DIY mods to reduce road noise. I did line my trunk in hushmat and I can actually hear the engine throttle a lot better. The worst I found was driving in the rain where it sounded like it was raining inside the car. going over dirty road caused a lot of 'pinging' but i found it was drastically reduced after. YMMV and I'm not saying it's silent like a lexus. it's still loud... just I am able to enjoy my exhaust and engine noise better

there is actually a button on the door handle I use to unlock. it will only unlock your side. so it's not like a hands free entry altogether.

oh one more thing you should also be aware of... do some research on CSC. lots of threads in the general/tech area about it. :wtf2:

Thanks for the heads up! I just checked the last few pages of this long thread:
http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...-failures.html
and it seems that this problem is still occurring even in 2016 vehicles, even after all the elapsed time of Nissan knowing of the problem. Not only that, but are their replacement parts any better than the originals? That is, if Nissan replaces the parts, is there bound to be another failure at some point down the road?

Does this problem eventually affect all 370Z clutches or just an unlucky few? If it does eventually affect all, I'm now more inclined to go with a used auto, especially since my wife would be happier with an auto and I'm ambivalent.

it WILL happen. when? uhh not sure. some have gone off the lot others gone over 50k. I did a pre-emptive attack at 39k with an aftermarket csc. Nissan changed it to an external on the 350 later gens. then went back to original design with the 370 as an internal.. durpitiy durp durp.

btw as much as people will bash the auto's (I'm guilty) it's not bad at all. it's actually faster 0-60. the automatic is pretty damn good. I'm not sure if the base model has the padal shifters in Canada though.

yes it's "faster" but a Z/sports car needs to be MT we all know this. It is part of the joy of driving it and being connected with the machine.

AT just doesn't do it for me with a toy/hobby/fun car

I guess if the Z is your DD then sure AT is more sensible, but when I see people start using these arguments...........:shakes head:.........then biotch you shouldn't be buying a Z cause in no way is a Z sensible/practical/economical (the list goes on) vehicle.

-it's a 2 seater
-limited cargo space
-not fuel efficient what so ever
-premium fuel recommended
etc
etc
etc

as far as the CSC goes..........seriously Nissan :facepalm:

but all cars have their flaws/recalls etc


Steering lock???? :stirthepot:


just waiting for mine to go then I will do the fix available through Zspeed

2 seater but you got a trunk ;)
depends on what you're hauling. I've fit quiet a bit into my trunk without much difficulty. a round of tetris if you think you'll have trouble and you're good to go!
premium fuel - required. not a recommendation.

I remember that the slave cylinders on the old manual cars that I drove back in the 60's and 70s were almost always on the outside housing of the transmission/clutch and were easy to bleed or replace. If I remember correctly, it was a very similar placement to the one shown on the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-U_QEn4uR8

To me, putting the thing on the inside of the bell housing is crazy, and has been proven to be so, but it must be great for stealership service departments, regardless of who's paying the tab.

I've driven both manual and auto 350Zs and AFAIK there are no paddle shifters available on their autos. You must momentarily blip the selector forward or backward while its in the "sport shifting" position. The one thing I noticed on the autos was how fast they shifted going either up or down. They transitioned and snapped into gear really fast -- far faster than our '10 Outlander XLS auto with its paddle shifters, where there is some noticeable, slippery lag while the transmission completes the shift.

I've just watched some interesting 370Z auto videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWkQFJ2lwQ
and this one of a young newbie owner being filmed by his Commander in Chief wife or girlfriend (but my money is on the former):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHIqYvaNi0
and here's a pure 0-60 with auto that impresses me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egltrSJYM0

I doubt like heck that I could manually shift any faster than the auto ......... but I'm more than willing to give it a try and I will do so on our test drive of the base. If the slave cylinder should fail during that drive, so be it. Edmonntonians are enjoying some great summer-like weather, so the walk will be nice. :D

:iagree: with you lots can fit back there but a nice sedan would kill it when comparing trunk size, functionality etc.

Also premium is a must in my opinion but I know people that do not use it. :shakes head: some driving "higher end vehicles" :facepalm: they say "....but it was just a recommendation"

I know there are paddles on the auto's for the sports versions... you should check with the dealer/sit in the car to confirm that's true on base in Canada.

yea the labour to drop a tranny and then do the install sucks... I know first hand lol

just go with what you want. if this is your last glory car then make it count! (I still recommend getting the touring + sport if budget can accommodate)

oh! one more thing I forgot to mention. there are also trunk covers you can get that fit inside that will go over and attach to the rear hatch so it'll keep things from bouncing up n down.

fair enough... I did learn to drive in a sienna and that was huge. camry too! lol but for trunk space I've fit quiet a bit.

lol I know some people with bimmers that used regular instead of 91. hello knocking! then again they were leasers so MEH! more 91 for us :yum:

:iagree: you can fit a lot but it's not intended to be cargo friendly. Can fit a set of golf clubs nicely. Other then that don't think they planned much further then that lol.


Funny you say that. It sounds like the exact same type of people I am referring to lol. For them having a Beamer is all about the status symbol though they could car less how beautiful of a machine it is. They just want that Gucci or Prada??? To say hey look at me. Not saying bmw are my fovorite or anything, hell some are total POS and I would never buy but some are gorgeous!

My wife and I took that red base for a test drive. I was wowed by the overall performance. Acceleration is neck-snapping fantastic and so is handling. I don't need any more than what this 370Z already has.

I can shift fast, but not as fast as the auto. I'm a little rusty getting smooth acceleration when shifting, but by the end of the ride I was quite smooth. If I were alone, I wouldn't even think about it.

My wife an I were both very comfortable in the base's manual cloth seats. When I place my feet under/behind the pedals, my long legs are almost flat. We could drive across the country and be very comfortable.

Speaking of seats, there was a Nismo in the showroom, so while waiting for the salesperson to get the base ready, I sat in the Nismo's driver's seat. In short, I found its seats very restricting and uncomfortable. So did my small wife. We prefer the basic seat.

If it's of any value to anyone, I noticed that the cruise control works in 4th, 5th and 6th gears. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked in 3rd, too. I like using cruise in the city to avoid tickets, which have become one of the greatest revenue streams for our great, safety-loving (money grubbing) city council members, so being able to set cruise at say 40 km/hr in a lower gear is a nice feature, IMO.

As long as the vehicle was just barely moving, the vehicle's engine and I found it acceptable to use 2nd gear instead of 1st to start a gentle acceleration.

I found the shift mechanism to be very good. I didn't miss any gears and had no trouble finding the correct one for any given speed.

For a base vehicle, I found the features to be quite good.
-Powerful headlights
-Decent radio/CD player
-Covered, illuminated mirror on the passenger visor, along with extendable light-blocks on both visors
-AC
-Auto-up-down power windows
-Power vehicle door lock-unlock
-Outside keyless door lock/unlock buttons
-Push-button ignition
-Blue tooth phone on steering wheel
-Radio volume controls on steering wheel
-Cruise control on steering wheel
-Power side mirrors
-Probably more that I've missed. Our old base '92 Accord had none of this stuff. Times have definitely changed for the better in 24 years. (OTOH, our base Accord was $18K.)

The one and only negative I found was that when I pressed the cruise control, I honked the horn. At first I did not know what was happening. You've really got to press lightly on those steering wheel controls.

Because my wife would be happier with an auto, today I did an online "build your vehicle" on Nissan.ca. In order to get a vehicle with an auto trans, you have to jump two steps up from the base. Below is a screen-capture of the minimum build/price sheet for a vehicle that has an auto. In short, to get a new 370Z with an auto trans, you've got to spend at least another $15K above the base price, which is ridiculous. And that's a cash purchase. If you finance, it's over $17K. Obviously, what Nissan needs to do is offer an auto-trans-and-nothing-else option for the base for say another $1500-$2000. I can't believe that the auto transmission is that much more expensive than the manual transmission and what the heck does Nissan care, as long as they're selling more vehicles?

I asked the Sales Manager when the '17s were due to arrive. He did not know. I asked him if he knew what the "incentive" would be to sell the remaining '16s. He did not know. I asked him if an auto would be optional on the '17 base. He did not know. So that was an informative conversation.

We'll see what the future holds. In the meantime, I'm watching the used-vehicle ads very closely because we're not paying 47 grand for a summer toy.

So I think I should jump in and mention this about the manual vs auto debate. Many people here don't like the feel of the clutch pedal on the 370Z. If you search this forum you'll see what I'm talking about, and you probably noticed it on your test drive.

As for me, I've been driving manual transmissions consistently for 20 years so I felt I was able to adjust pretty easily when I got my Z last fall, it is touchy. But for my wife, she would really struggle trying to get it to shift smooth. A couple weeks ago I installed the RJM clutch pedal mod and I must say that it makes a huge difference.

I just thought this might be something to think about if its an issue you or your wife run into. BTW, sound like your in Edmonton, feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the "enthusiast" Z model, I'm in the area.

Oic you talked to one of typical Nissan dealership salesmen and dare I say it managers....... All trained in 5th degree asshatary for not knowing the product they are selling. :roflpuke2:

Thanks for the offer. I appreciate it.

I found the clutch to engage quite high off the floor. Another way to put it is that when you push down to disengage the clutch, from the point where the clutch disengages, the pedal can still travel some distance down to its stop point.

Why Nissan did things this way is beyond me, but the present set up doesn't bother me. It seems to me that the resting position of the pedal could start off closer to the floor with the bottom stop remaining where it is. This would eliminate some of that free travel and maybe make shifting more comfortable. That is, the extended leg could easily hold the pedal all the way down, but not have to lift as high to start engaging the clutch. To me it would then be more predictable just exactly where the clutch would begin to engage.

If you want a "auto" base you will have to go to the states to get one. Lots to choose from and importing a car is easy. Check out Autotrader.com

Unfortunately Nissan Canada doesn't give us the same choices as our southern neighbors. I feel so discriminated against.

Don't get me started about the crappy clutches in 370Z's. I could write a book lol

Yes, I agree, but they have so many different models with so many different trim levels, that it must be hard for sales people and even the sales manager to keep up with everything.

With the internet, we customers are usually already well-educated about one particular vehicle before we step into the show room. Nowadays I'm not surprised to find out that I know more about a particular vehicle than the sales person does. Not only that, but most sales people nowadays freely admit to their ignorance. I guess they feel it's safer to go that route rather than try to BS a customer who does not need "sales pitch".

It's essentially the same with electronics and a wide variety of other products. Expecting absolutely nothing from sales people is the way to go.

That being said, the service dept. is an entirely different situation. :argue:

My wife and I imported an '05 Lexus LS430 5 years ago (and sold it three years ago), so I am intimately familiar with the importation process.

For the heck of it, I just checked out Nissan USA's "build your vehicle". The base with auto trans is minimum $32,125 USD, which today converts to $41,832 CAD. That CAD is without all taxes, import fees, transportation fees, converting to KM/hr as the main scale (which I understand can be done merely by replacing the faceplate on the speedo), etc. The price will end up being less than our minimum auto option, but for less than that amount one can buy a new 2014 auto with all the bells and whistles. Check autotrader.ca listings for BC and you'll see one example. Then there all the used automatic vehicles as options to new.

I don't know where you shop but I can pick up a new 2016 base automatic for less than $30,000 US (todays exchange $37,500 CDN or less)

But I regress you have a answer for everything and won't agree with anything I tell you anyways. So carry on convincing yourself and whoever will listen.

Exit stage left .................................

the high clutch is a 'racelike' feel because you are in a 'race car'

btw the Nissan sales MANAGER should have his screws on and details of every car. his front line salesman not as much. but as a manager you should atleast be able to read the spec sheet off each car in the show room. maybe 12?

when I was buying my Z the sales manager was a dink at a Nissan dealership. I got a used one at an acura dealership. he knew more about the fkin car than the Nissan guy. :roflpuke2: