someone got hit right in the feelies.

look it's OP's money. we're here to give our opinion. he may or may not agree. he has made up his mind as to what works for him.

another way to look at it.... another z will join our community :icon17:

I got hit in the feelies too! both feelies!

insurance finally back on today.. just drove around in circles for like 150km all day.

now back in the garage till at least next tuesday or wednesday :(

Salesman told me my 2017 nismo is arriving July/August. Another member I talked to said his arrives in July but he's been waiting months before I ordered.

They said my 2016 got damaged during transportation and they refused delivery of it.

There is a 2016 nismo white at woodbine Nissan showroom so maybe my dealership doesn't want to trade with them.

Wonder if they sold it to someone else who wanted to pay more since I got mine for VPP with 2k rebate :(

Probably for about a week lol... I just got the tune done now I can't even play

Maybe next week at earliest

My wife and I went to look at a '10 today, but were not able to test drive it because the owner had not yet insured it after winter storage. I wish the owner had told us this when we were making arrangements to see the vehicle. Had we known that that rather important detail was the case, we may not have traveled to see it.

Anyway, the vehicle had many nice features including nav, but the owner said that it does not have a backup cam, which, after some searching here, I now realize is the case for all '09s and '10s. Up to this point I had assumed that if the vehicle had nav, it also had the cam, so I got some more unexpected education today.

I also did a search about adding an OEM backup cam to the '10's nav and I see that it's possible and I also believe that I could do the installation myself, so that's nice, but I have one simple question. After you add the OEM cam, in addition to the typical fixed guide lines, does the '10 also display the curving lines that vary their position as you turn the steering wheel? If not, what is the first year that has those curving lines?

Thanks.

Can only speak about '10s, the lines curve with the steering.


When doing the 09 and '10 reverse cam upgrade they are two different units/setups needed. I'm sure you saw this in your search.

I have the complete setup from the car kit company (if typed all one word .com should come up)

www.thecarkitcompany.com

Thanks!

Yup its his money and its his opinion that matters to him.

I just know when to not waste my time and have the ability to find/source out my own answers and don't have to be spoon feed by trolls. :tiphat:

April 1:
April 3:
Was the exit door stuck, or have you dropped in for another time-wasting kick a the cat?

Darwin, if you were looking at 2010 models I'd also suggest looking at other used models with the sport + touring package as they should be similar in price to a brand new base.

you get the better goodies... just a thought

I'll keep that in mind. Right now I'm looking at all auto Zs that come up for sale in the base's price area.

Do members here feel that the Canadian Black Book (CBB) reflects market reality? It seems to me that in the Edmonton/Calgary market, average asking prices in Kijiji or AutoTrader are far higher than the average asking price stated in CBB. Some of the asking prices are downright ridiculous -- for example, asking $3K more for a loaded '14 used car than the price of a loaded, brand new '14 leftover.

Anybody else have that impression? Maybe it's just because of the time of year and Alberta's early, summer-like weather.

While I'm typing, do you think that, year for year, automatics are more or less desirable than manuals? I'm just wondering how difficult it is for owners of automatics to sell them, and how this situation might be used to our advantage during negotiation. I ask because there are far more manuals than automatics on the used market. In today's Kijiji, for example, the ratio of manuals to autos is about 2:1. Another reason I ask is because the new leftovers tend to be autos. I'm guessing this is the case because twice as many new manuals are sold than automatics, but why? Is it because people want a manual in a sports car, or is it because the autos are so much more expensive when new (for new Canadian automatics, anyway)?

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about:
2013 Nissan 370Z Stillen Supercharged | used cars & trucks | Edmonton | Kijiji
I know that this amazing automatic vehicle has been for sale for quite some time because I've been looking at 370Z ads for months. Because we were taking a trip to that part of town anyway, my wife allowed us to stop in to see the vehicle. In short, I was wowed by the thing, but it's out of "our" (my wife's) price range. (As I was test driving the base coupe, I could not help but imagine what it must be like to drive a 400-whp paddle-shifter.) But for the long list of stuff that is in that as-new, 17K-km vehicle, I think it is being sold at a very reasonable price, especially considering what a new automatic sells for, or, for that matter, even a used, loaded '13 that has the same kms. So why hasn't that vehicle sold? I believe it is probably because it is an automatic.

Here in Toronto/GTA Automatics are cheaper when used, I think like you said no one wants them. If you want a fun sports car for the summer - get manual.
All joking aside get what you want, but for resale value and enjoyment get manual. (if the wife doesn't know how to drive manual for $200-300 buy her lessons, everybody that drives manual had to learn)
If you haven't driven one with the sport package, do yourself a favour. Its worth the extra money all day long. Man the brakes are amazing on them.
If you are buying used there isn't much price difference with the sport optioned cars.
As why a used 2014/15 is more than a new one left over on the lot - no idea. Maybe they are a celebrity and think their car is worth more than new some how. Or they are hoping a sucker comes by and doesn't do their research like you have. People can ask as much as they want, what they sell the car for is totally different.
I got mine for $3000 less than the guy was asking just a couple weeks ago.

My 2 cents

Thanks for your input.

My wife already knows how to drive a manual quite well, but for some reason insists upon an auto, and believe me, I've worked on her. But the other better reason that I no longer want a manual is the slave cylinder issue which I very recently learned about. I don't have any strong feeling about either transmission, but I definitely do not want too deal with that slave issue, so auto it will be. Good to hear they're generally less desirable than the manuals.

I'm going to go out on a short limb and assume that the vehicle you just bought is the '12 that is in your info under your username, and that it is also a manual. You say that you got the vehicle for $3000 less than asking. Was the asking price close to the CBB average asking price?

Again, I'll keep the sport-optioned vehicles firmly in mind.

Thanks.

I don't know what the CBB for a 2012 with sport package is listed at. If the CBB is all of Canada, not sure how accurate it is anyways. 370z's are cheaper in Quebec, so that would lower the average, but they might be more in other places.
End of the day I did my research and am very happy with what I paid.
I think someone said you are in Alberta - they might have some good deals in Calgary due to the oil prices.
My thinking is set your budget, find the newest model with what you want in that budget. If its new then great, these cars don't depreciate as fast as other cars, although that may change when the 370z replacement comes out with 400hp. I personally would not buy new unless it was to get options/specs that are very specific to myself. But with 370z's there aren't many choices.
Have you thought of a convertible? I had a S2000 before my 370z and it was a blast going for a nice drive in the wine region/country etc.
Prices seem to be going up, I assume with warmer weather around the corner more people want to buy
What's it cost to fix the slave cylinder?

Good on you guys and researching what you are buying :tup:

I did the same when getting my 40th. I had debated on bringing up a USA Nismo in 2010 (nismo not available in Canada 2010) or getting the Canadian 40th anniversary which comes fully loaded! (the USA 40th has less options - off topic lol :stirthepot:)



as for the CSC fix check this out, most have gone this route to fix. Part is $325usd + bottle of fluid + instal (unless you can DIY)

ZSpeed Performance Replacement HD Clutch CSC Heavy Duty Slave Cylinder Kit


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You make some good points.

Although Alberta's economy is in the tank and the unemployment rate is high, so far anyway used vehicle asking prices -- both dealerships' and private owners' -- are IMO still quite high. What these owners are actually willing to sell for may be another matter. (I hate negotiating, but there is no way around it.) However, I have noticed that Edmonton dealerships' lots are full to the nuts with new and used vehicles. There are also lots of local used Zs available from private sellers. This may be an impact from the economic situation. You never know the real reason why a private person is selling their vehicle, but no seller is ever going to announce that it's because their economic situation has deteriorated for one reason or another. However, if a seller pointedly says right off the bat that "I don't really care if I sell it", I take note.

I understand that Alberta's and BC's used vehicles are priced higher because their winter environments are better than Quebec's, where salt is used extensively. I guess the same might hold for Ontario, but Ontario owners should comment on that. But this would probably apply less to the Z, which many owners drive only in summer.

I have done further investigation of the sport package and it is something I now want in a used vehicle. The nav and sport package originally added considerably to the cost of the new vehicle. I am now almost certain that the '10 we just looked at had the sport package because of the wheels, brakes and spoilers.

While doing some research on the 370Z Roadster, I stumbled on the following thread.
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-r...our-top-3.html
In short, we're going to stick with a coupe. But speaking of convertibles ........ you know which vehicle had the perfect convertible top, IMO? The C5 Corvette.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM75yRsGe04
You can easily and inexpensively replace just about anything on it. If the Roadster had the C5's bone simple manual design (and why not?), we'd seriously consider one.

Someone who has had their slave cylinder "fixed" will have to say what the typical cost is, but if my understanding that the transmission has to be dropped to replace it is correct, it is going to be :eek:.

most Z's are off the road in Ontario for the winter

IMO sports cars need to keep a salt free diet, helps keep them in great shape. lol

i got my car with 15k on the odo for lower than most of the cars currently listed in the GTA in price and mileage. oh and also from a dealer too. the auto's usually went for 1-2k LESS at the time.

weird... apparently they appreciated in price a bit? lol anyways use the CBB as a guide not as hard rule.

if you are getting a manual, check the fluids. the clutch fluid particularly just to make sure it's in good order.

also i did my csc replacement. the ZSPEED HD CSC will not have a warranty unless you change the master at the same time. you're looking at a ~1500 job or so labour + parts in. you will need an OEM CMC, the aftermarket CSC and a bottle of fluid. labor is about a 4-6 hour job iirc.


this is probably a good time to buy a used one. end of the season is also good as people don't want to store them so they'll let them go for cheaper. but since spring is around the corner they may get the spring fever effect lol

a car is a car. YOU can walk away. i did and found a killer deal literally minutes after.

Thanks for the info about the slave. Hopefully someone will chime in to tell us what a Nissan dealership charges to perform their special magic.

I am a firm believer in spring fever because I'm experiencing it as I type. I can't get that base-model test drive out of my head.

You last paragraph is exactly right. That is my experience, too. It never hurts to wait, especially when it comes to buying vehicles which will all eventually end up in salvage-yard heaven.

90st a good standing member in this community has well over 200k miles on his car. literally the belts / fuel pumps / clutch were the only major issues. then again belts are part of regular maintenance. the clutch is technically a less than regular maintenance item just the slave is a piece of crap.

the Z is probably 1 of a kind in this current market. it's a mix between a sports car and muscle sized engine (albeit smaller) so it is a bit raw n rough. that's what I appreciate about the car.

keep looking. you will find something.

The above has made me think of something.

Considering how many manuals have the CSC problem, maybe used manuals with the Zspeed already on board are common. I'm thinking that if someone is selling a used sport manual in fantastic condition at a price close to that of the new base, and it already has the Zspeed, I might once again consider a manual. Maybe I can browbeat my wife into trying out a vehicle that has the rev-match feature. If shifting is as smooth as it is reported to be, just maybe she'd go for it.

Is the Zspeed slave (plus a new master cylinder for the clutch) a "one and done" solution? That is, does it last forever? Is that an external bleed line I see on the below photo (where the red arrow is pointing)?

Does having rev-match extend the life of a clutch plate? I imagine that it would.

Thanks.

The short answer is yes. One and done!



But you have to remember like anything mechanical it has a life span and that too will eventually wear out. but we are talking many years and lots of mileage :tup:

IMO do what I did buy the car and don't worry about it, if and when it fails replace it. Or if your that paranoid and want to spend the $$ instal the parts once you buy the Z :tup:

Also go drive a used sport MT you will not be disappointed I promise you!

there is a specific brand of the after market clutch that will destroy your zspeed slave. I can't remember it off the top of my head but the zspeed will be fine with your stock clutch.

as LMB said you have 2 routes. wait til it fails or just do it. I took the later since I like to go on road trips.

definitely try the SRM mode with the manual. you'll be amazed how awesome it is on the down shifts. ie @60 clicks drop from 3rd to 2nd and listen to the music :excited:

If we look at a vehicle that already has the Zspeed, I'll definitely ask if the clutch is OEM. If it isn't, before doing anything, I'll come back here and ask.

Depending on the asking price of the vehicle, I suppose we could add on the cost of the Zspeed and see if it makes financial sense to go further. I understand that Nissan might even be willing to do the job of installing it rather than their own part. If the slave problem is as extensive as it seems, maybe they've got a NASCAR pit crew all trained up to do the job in an hour...............while blindfolded. I can give a local Nissan dealer and other shops a call to get an estimate for the job, including new master cylinder.

If the OEM slave is certainly going to leak at some point down the road, I would think that installing the Zspeed before the slave starts leaking might make more sense in case the fluid ruins the clutch plate, no?

As I said much earlier in this thread, I am intrigued by the rev match feature. How does whatever computer that controls SRM "know" what gear you're going to shift into? It can't. So it must have to wait until you actually put the gear lever into a particular gear's slot and only then, even before you are able to lift the clutch, increase or decrease engine (flywheel) rpm to match that of the clutch plate.

If so, this is quite a trick, because it doesn't take long for that left foot to come up when you're going for broke. The SRM computer must have continuous, instantaneous control of engine RPM at all times (at least when the clutch pedal is going down), regardless of how your foot has adjusted the accelerator pedal, correct?

So, AFTER the rpm-synchronized plate and flywheel have come together, does the position of accelerator pedal instantly take/regain control of engine throttle/rpm? That is, say you lift your foot completely off the accelerator after you depress the clutch. What happens if you then make a gear change and you lift up the clutch? Does the computer still synchronize engine rpm for the mating, regardless of accelerator position, but then, after the mating, instantly allow the accelerator position to take control of the throttle/engine rpm?

BTW, is SRM something that is always on until you turn if off, or is it always off until you turn it on?

Thanks.

for the SRM.. uhh... drive it. lol you can clutch gas off downshift (srm kicks in as you enter the gear positiong gate) and clutch off. tada!

FYI: For some of you that may be interested in a brand new '16 370Z Enthusiast Edition (in Pearl White), one of the members of OZC is a sales consultant at Direct Nissan in Mississauga. They are selling one at $28,888 plus freight and HST. Not a bad deal at all. His name is Jason O.

My wife and I are on the verge of buying a 2014 7AT Sport Touring. In short, the thing looks and performs/handles like new with less than 10K kms. It has a clean CarProof with absolutely nothing suspicious. All fluids look good. Tires are all worn perfectly evenly.

I have just a few questions.

Is there anything in particular I should know about the 2014 model year, such as recalls, known mechanical or electronic issues, etc.?

As much as I think it unnecessary, I'm going to pay Nissan to do a pre-purchase inspection. (What I fear most all is that Nissan is going to scratch something as they drive it into or out of the bay, because I've had this happen before with our Outlander and the Lexus we sold three years ago.) Assuming that they don't damage the vehicle themselves, is Nissan going to discover whether or not the vehicle has ever been driven hard or, heaven forbid, run over a curb or something? If they connect their diagnostic software, can they tell the fastest the vehicle has ever been driven?

Thanks.

not to my knowledge you can tell fastest speeds ever driven. but why worry about that? the car is a sports car. in terms of wear and tear check how close the rears are to the wear bar. if it's 10k km it should still have a decent amount of rubber left on the rear. fronts should be significantly more (unless they tracked the car which would cause fronts to be worn down too). have them check the obd reader if it throws any codes out. check how much life is still left in the pads.


personally if you have a private shop I would get the inspection/second opinion from them over a dealership.

Thanks.

It's the 370Z-specific problems that I'm concerned about, and it seems that there are not many..........at least in the AT.

Can the OBD of the Z be read/adjusted in its entirety by non-Nissan-specific OBD software, or is it the same old proprietary situation?

Thanks again.

The warm weather is rapidly descending upon the great white north. Go get your Z and enjoy the weather and the Z! You will not regret it. Believe me.

I get giddy at the prospect of having a like-new Z sitting at the ready in our large garage. The Z will occupy the area where the two bicycles are at present. Because of the vehicle's fantastic backup cam with those infinitely-variable curving lines, I plan on backing the vehicle into the garage, as close as possible to the wall with the window blinds. (Can you tell that I have long legs?)

We Edmontonians have been experiencing a remarkable early spring. We're supposed to hit 24 today:
Edmonton, AB - 7 Day Forecast - Environment Canada
(Notice tonight's overnight low temp.) This weather brings out certain car-related animal urges that I find hard to resist.

We bought the vehicle. The first thing I did was give it a really thorough hand wash and a laborious coat of Collinite paste wax.

The vehicle was originally sold in July of '14, so the bumper to bumper warranty is good until the end of July next year and the powertrain years beyond.

I was able to examine the underside of the vehicle while it was undergoing the pre-purchase inspection at Mills Nissan. Like new, but, naturally, just a bit dusty.

Frost interior, navigation, 3M, etc.

My wife and I gave rides to several family members yesterday and they were impressed. Our daughter drove it and was wowed, although she would prefer manual.

We're very happy with our Z. Because of its fantastic automatic, my wife actually likes it as much as I do. It irony is that I feel inhibited to drive the vehicle the way and where it should be driven. That is, I just want to take it for short, easy drives in perfect weather -- which we've actually had in Edmonton recently.

Nice to have a Z and be a member of this great forum.:tup:

Congrats!

and good choice on the sports model. looks a lot nicer with the rims, lsd, spoiler and bigger brakes!

Good stuff DC! That is one sweet ride. Enjoy!

:iagree: and you won't be disappointed with the extra features the sport offers...... however with out this items it's just not the same car :icon17:

Beautiful car, even when I'm in it.

aww don't need to blur your face ;)

but I can tell that you're grinning ear to ear. hell I am evrytime I open up a little

So what will be the first mod you do DC? CBE, CAI, the choices are endless.

The first mod I'm going to make is to my car ramps so that I can do an oil/filter change. This looks pretty good to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSH8shmHvgg