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Sebring is a very bumpy track and it is easy to unsettle the car there. I wouldn't make any changes until you get more track time. However, if you really

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Old 04-01-2014, 03:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sebring is a very bumpy track and it is easy to unsettle the car there. I wouldn't make any changes until you get more track time. However, if you really want to do something before you go out again, try a larger front swaybar, like the Eibach, which will reduce oversteer.
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Another question- what size tires are you running? Not the 245s on the non-sport 18s, right?
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Another question- what size tires are you running? Not the 245s on the non-sport 18s, right?
The are the stock sizes.
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The are the stock sizes.
So 245s in back? That's not enough rubber for stock power, much less 100whp over stock.
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So 245s in back? That's not enough rubber for stock power, much less 100whp over stock.
Yes 245s, what are you running on the rear?

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Did you stay on power when it broke loose or lift? 370z have natural intial wag that catches if you stay on power. If you lift with rear end moving it will swing even harder. Big front bar will help you.
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Did you stay on power when it broke loose or lift? 370z have natural intial wag that catches if you stay on power. If you lift with rear end moving it will swing even harder. Big front bar will help you.
Truthfully I think I lifted for a split second before getting back on it to recover it. I'm new at this and the supercharger has made it a handful for my skill level but it just didn't feel right. Sway bars are in it's near future because while it doesn't feel bad in the car the photos show a lot of body roll, any recommendations for the rear bar?
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Sport wheels come with 275s, Nismos with 285s. You need more rubber.
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Sport wheels come with 275s, Nismos with 285s. You need more rubber.
They are both on 19s right? My rears are about done so I will look into getting more. Thanks again Chuck and everyone else who offered advise!
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They are both on 19s right? My rears are about done so I will look into getting more. Thanks again Chuck and everyone else who offered advise!

You've got 18s. Sports have a 19x10 rear, Nismos 19x10.5. If you're buying new wheels, a 19 is an annoying size. You don't have as many options. A set of 18x10 all around would do you just fine with appropriate tires.
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You've got 18s. Sports have a 19x10 rear, Nismos 19x10.5. If you're buying new wheels, a 19 is an annoying size. You don't have as many options. A set of 18x10 all around would do you just fine with appropriate tires.
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Sport wheels come with 275s, Nismos with 285s. You need more rubber.
Agree'd. More rubber will help out without installing a LSD. I think the best idea would be to pick up a good aftermarket LSD or swap in a Stock one if possible (used to do that on E36's back in the day).
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Shamu has a lot more experience than I do, but I'd personally approach it in the order of: 1. tires, 2. diff and then any suspension changes. What feels best on an open diff and 245s in back may not be the same thing as what feels best with a real diff and appropriately sized rubber and you only want to buy parts once.
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Shamu has a lot more experience than I do, but I'd personally approach it in the order of: 1. tires, 2. diff and then any suspension changes. What feels best on an open diff and 245s in back may not be the same thing as what feels best with a real diff and appropriately sized rubber and you only want to buy parts once.
I'm ordering a diff, sway bars and brake ducts today and will look at wheels when I have a chance.
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