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khsysh 12-25-2013 07:57 PM

Installed SPC rear camber kit after installing swift and got an alignment!
 
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As you guys said before, I installed only SPC rear camber kit since I don't track the Z. However, I don't think the rear camber is in stock spec. Please let me know if somethings wrong.

And on the right side of picture, it says 'can't adjust camber it will mess up toe.'

Thanks!

khsysh 12-25-2013 08:01 PM

So, I saw something on the thread below. "Shoot for 0 toe all the way around and -1.5 for rear camber." Is this what I should tell them?

cossie1600 12-25-2013 08:31 PM

0 toe in the rear, I hope you have the VDC on, else we will see an accident soon

XwChriswX 12-25-2013 08:38 PM

Did you not get a set of Toe Bolts as well? That is probably your problem.

synolimit 12-25-2013 10:30 PM

I vote traction arms and toe/camber lockout kit.

khsysh 12-26-2013 12:34 AM

I bought 2 set of spc rear camber kit from Z1. http://www.z1motorsports.com/g37_370...oducts_id=7207
Doesnt toe bolts comes with it? Do I have to buy it separately? Thanks for the response guys. I just need help :(

khsysh 12-26-2013 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2624643)
0 toe in the rear, I hope you have the VDC on, else we will see an accident soon

I usually DD my Z and often enjoy spirit driving. Is it bad to have 0 toe??

khsysh 12-26-2013 12:42 AM

And again, thanks for your inputs guys. :)

Wonka2581 12-26-2013 01:20 AM

It should have included tow bolt as well, If you read the link it states adjust camber and tow.

cossie1600 12-26-2013 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2624910)
I usually DD my Z and often enjoy spirit driving. Is it bad to have 0 toe??

When you are in a turn and you lift the throttle suddenly, the more toe out you have, the more likely your car will snap and spin the car. Big no no in a RWD car unless you absolutely know what you are doing

XwChriswX 12-26-2013 12:50 PM

If you have the toe bolts installed as well as the camber arms, the alignment tech should have no problem getting you squared away. I'd get a 2nd opinion.

khsysh 12-26-2013 01:03 PM

Thanks for the reply guys.
Then whats wrong with my Z. :( Auto shop wouldnt make mistake while installing camber arms right? Because I was right next to it while they are installing and seems it had easy installation process. Then maybe an alignment tech's problem? Hmmmm

equalme 12-30-2013 05:46 PM

Maybe the tech didn't know that the spc arm is adjustable and is just adjusting it from the bolt.

XwChriswX 12-31-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2625545)
Thanks for the reply guys.
Then whats wrong with my Z. :( Auto shop wouldnt make mistake while installing camber arms right? Because I was right next to it while they are installing and seems it had easy installation process. Then maybe an alignment tech's problem? Hmmmm

I've had shops not fully seat the rear springs in the boot of my coil-over install, and installed the front sway bar upside down. When I was standing right next to them... :ugh2:

Things happen, humans make errors. That's why it's good to get a 2nd opinion.

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Originally Posted by equalme (Post 2631214)
Maybe the tech didn't know that the spc arm is adjustable and is just adjusting it from the bolt.

Try taking it to a different alignment place, not like a Discount Tire or anything, but a reputable shop close by.

I'm not sure where they're located, but you could look into Baker Tuning. I know they do a lot of performance builds, you could ask them who they recommend for alignment issues.

Chuy 12-31-2013 04:21 PM

Run the same set up as you do. Your specs are fine! Everyone believes in different settings because it works for their driving skills. Hammer the car, beat her up see what works for you, change air pressure then talk it over with your alignment tech if they are worth a damn they can help you dial in your car.

synolimit 12-31-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuy (Post 2632280)
Run the same set up as you do. Your specs are fine! Everyone believes in different settings because it works for their driving skills. Hammer the car, beat her up see what works for you, change air pressure then talk it over with your alignment tech if they are worth a damn they can help you dial in your car.

What the hell are you smoking? A 0.6 front difference and above -2.0 rear is not fine!

SPOHN 12-31-2013 07:03 PM

I just sit back a laugh now. Very far and few here know what's right. No reason to even give your knowledge. They'll learn the hard way.

khsysh 01-01-2014 10:26 AM

Thanks guys!! I bought 1 year alignment program from ntb so Ill try it again after getting new tires. Thanks again!

Dozier 01-01-2014 12:49 PM

Thanks for posting this...I am using your experience to help mine. Just bought swift springs. Deciding on my camber and toe kit currently. Probably going with the SPC stuff from Z1 also. I don't track the car. Just spirited occasionally. Thanks for making this thread. I will follow it until you have an end result.

khsysh 01-02-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dozier (Post 2632935)
Thanks for posting this...I am using your experience to help mine. Just bought swift springs. Deciding on my camber and toe kit currently. Probably going with the SPC stuff from Z1 also. I don't track the car. Just spirited occasionally. Thanks for making this thread. I will follow it until you have an end result.

No problem. Ill keep post my situation!

khsysh 01-02-2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuy (Post 2632280)
Run the same set up as you do. Your specs are fine! Everyone believes in different settings because it works for their driving skills. Hammer the car, beat her up see what works for you, change air pressure then talk it over with your alignment tech if they are worth a damn they can help you dial in your car.

Hmmmm. Interesting. Only person who said its okay. Any camber wears? Cause its my DD and im worring about my tire life. Thanks!

Chuck33079 01-02-2014 12:53 PM

Looks like you need front arms and toe bolts in the back.

cv129 01-02-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2634010)
Hmmmm. Interesting. Only person who said its okay. Any camber wears? Cause its my DD and im worring about my tire life. Thanks!

At the minimal, the 0.6 camber difference from left to right is not ok. Nissan wouldn't let a car roll off the assembly with that big of a difference.

Get the necessary parts to get it back to what it should be.

khsysh 01-02-2014 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 2634779)
At the minimal, the 0.6 camber difference from left to right is not ok. Nissan wouldn't let a car roll off the assembly with that big of a difference.

Get the necessary parts to get it back to what it should be.

What do I need? Front camber arms?

khsysh 01-02-2014 10:35 PM

Why my rear camber values dont go to stock spec even though I have kits :(. And now front cambers are problem too :(.

cv129 01-02-2014 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2634872)
Why my rear camber values dont go to stock spec even though I have kits :(. And now front cambers are problem too :(.

Clicked on your z1 link but showed an empty page. First make sure you have purchased the toe bolt. Call z1 if you are not sure.

See post #13 and #14: if you have both the aftermarket toe bolt and camber arms, the tech should be able to get both back in spec. Find a decent alignment place for a second look. Camber and toe change together. An inexperience tech may get one back in spec then get stranded on the other.

Google which NTB locations are lowered cars friendly. Skill levels can vary greatly among different locations.

Chuck33079 01-03-2014 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2634872)
Why my rear camber values dont go to stock spec even though I have kits :(. And now front cambers are problem too :(.

Because you only bought the rear camber arms, instead of everything you need to do the job right. It's not a surprise. If you lower the car, you can expect to need front and rear camber arms and toe bolts. Otherwise you won't be able to align the car in spec.

DEpointfive0 01-03-2014 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2634872)
Why my rear camber values dont go to stock spec even though I have kits :(. And now front cambers are problem too :(.

Because your car isn't at stock specs anymore.

khsysh 01-03-2014 08:43 AM

Im pretty sure that bought toe bolts with camber arms together becuase the package that I bought from said, it adjust degrees of camber and toe. I know Im not in stock spec anymore but that is why I bought these things to get back to.

I should try to get an alignment from other places then. Thanks guys.

Chuck33079 01-03-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2635177)
Im pretty sure that bought toe bolts with camber arms together becuase the package that I bought from said, it adjust degrees of camber and toe. I know Im not in stock spec anymore but that is why I bought these things to get back to.

I should try to get an alignment from other places then. Thanks guys.

When you opened the box, did it have toe bolts in there with the camber arms? Did the shop have to drill out the factory holes for the toe bolts? If they didn't drill anything, toe bolts weren't installed.

You're still going to need front arms. A million alignments are not going to solve your problem in front because the stock arms don't have enough adjustment.

khsysh 01-03-2014 09:10 AM

It was this one. SPC Rear Camber Arm (370Z / G37)
But I dont think tech drilled anything. That would be the problem then. Thanks. Ill check that also. And yes. Ill do the front also :(.

Chuck33079 01-03-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2635210)
It was this one. SPC Rear Camber Arm (370Z / G37)
But I dont think tech drilled anything. That would be the problem then. Thanks. Ill check that also. And yes. Ill do the front also :(.

Then you don't have toe bolts installed. I think there's a copy/paste error on Z1s website. I don't think the toe bolts are included with the camber arms unless something's changed recently.

7speed 01-03-2014 10:04 AM

I think the lesson here is, leave your factory suspension alone unless your prepared to upgrade corresponding parts.

Thats goes for the other thread a few down also...
Aftermarket sway bars, stock endlinks?

Chuck33079 01-03-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 7speed (Post 2635347)
I think the lesson here is, leave your factory suspension alone unless your prepared to upgrade corresponding parts.

Pretty much. If you lower your car, replace the front and rear camber arms and toe bolts at the same time. That way your labor costs are cheaper, and you only have to pay for the alignment once.

khsysh 01-03-2014 02:21 PM

Yes. I got my lessons! Thanks guys. This is my first time modding suspension, so I learned. Thanks again!

khsysh 01-03-2014 02:36 PM

Oh also, when the tech installed the camber kit, he said the size of stock toe bolts and the spc's were same. Does that matter?

XwChriswX 01-03-2014 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by khsysh (Post 2635857)
Oh also, when the tech installed the camber kit, he said the size of stock toe bolts and the spc's were same. Does that matter?

Yes. They aren't.

Chuck33079 01-03-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2635862)
Yes. They aren't.

It means it's time to find a new shop.

khsysh 01-04-2014 12:22 PM

Yeah.. I should not go to him. Should find new shop.

jooonnn 01-04-2014 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2635228)
Then you don't have toe bolts installed. I think there's a copy/paste error on Z1s website. I don't think the toe bolts are included with the camber arms unless something's changed recently.


Hey chuck im a bit new to this to but from what im learning from this thread is that you would need front camber arms AND one pair of toe bolts to utilize these springs with alignment adjustability. You would not need new camber arms for stock alignment settings. Does that sound right?

Lastly, Would you need two sets of the toe bolts for oem rear control arms (if so, why) or just one? Thats the last part thats confusing me when the z1 site mentions camber arm and spring perch locations.

Again all hell would be greatly appreciated! Im here to soak up all i can learn!


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