Akebono with Stock Brake Lines

Ni55anPat · 08-01-2013, 11:36 PM

If you currently have BASE brakes upgrading into the Akebono.....

You will need "OEM 370z Front Sport Metal Hardlines (Connecting Lines to the Caliper)"

Call up Z1motorsports and they will send them to you...i think it was like 9 bucks.

This is the only thing you will need to upgrade. your base brake lines will work, just need that metal hardline I mentioned.

The rears work with no modification....btw

omg35s · 08-02-2013, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ni55anPat

If you currently have BASE brakes upgrading into the Akebono.....

You will need "OEM 370z Front Sport Metal Hardlines (Connecting Lines to the Caliper)"

Call up Z1motorsports and they will send them to you...i think it was like 9 bucks.

This is the only thing you will need to upgrade. your base brake lines will work, just need that metal hardline I mentioned.

The rears work with no modification....btw

This is exactly what I'm looking for. So it's just 1 hard line for each rear corner?

Maybe I should get the rears too so the calipers are hardlined instead of the banjo bolt? Probably better flow of fluid?

Do I need any bolts or washers?

Those part #'s from the other thread are probably correct. I just wonder if there is a place to mount those brackets for the lines...

DEpointfive0 · 08-02-2013, 02:43 AM

Ok, $10 shipped, lol
Damn you Pat

Chuck33079 · 08-02-2013, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

By who? Guess I just buy quality

They were Goodridge lines, so it wasn't a quality issue. They ended up working fine once I made sure there was nothing touching them.

synolimit · 08-02-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

They were Goodridge lines, so it wasn't a quality issue. They ended up working fine once I made sure there was nothing touching them.

Interesting. Never seen a goodridge line without a coating. Maybe a knock off on eBay?

Chuck33079 · 08-02-2013, 12:04 PM

Nope, these were the real deal. This was years back, so they may have stopped making any uncoated lines.

Mike · 08-02-2013, 07:54 PM

Goodridge sucks. Several of my corvette customers had leaky ones.

As for the op, just get new crush washers and use the lines and bolts that you have. The akebonos use a hard line with a fitting on the end that goes into the caliper, but a banjo bolt should work just fine also, as there is a flat surface on there for the washers to mate up with. the only caveat to that could be the length of the base banjo bolts, they do have to be shorter than the depth of the caliper hole and the width of the block on the stock line.

Ni55anPat · 08-02-2013, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omg35s

This is exactly what I'm looking for. So it's just 1 hard line for each rear corner?

Maybe I should get the rears too so the calipers are hardlined instead of the banjo bolt? Probably better flow of fluid?

Do I need any bolts or washers?

Those part #'s from the other thread are probably correct. I just wonder if there is a place to mount those brackets for the lines...

1 hard line in each corner.

i didnt touch anything with the rear ( maybe this is why i need to re-bleed again, i'll keep you updated on sunday when i do it )

Nut_N_Much · 08-04-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by omg35s

There are different answers to this question and I'd appreciate if someone knows exactly what I need to make the stock OEM lines work with my Akebono Set-Up.

From what I understand the Akebono BBK uses a different banjo bolt than the non-sports? So I need to find and order 4 of these banjo bolts?

What do I need in order to use my OEM lines with the akebono?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by omg35s

You guys are taking this all wrong or maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly... I'm not trying to do the cheap way out at all.. I have bought Akebono calipers, stoptech drilled and slotted rotors, motul rfb600, EBC Yellow Brake Pads, and now I'm trying to figure out what options I have with the brake lines. I'm thinking about doing the install myself and I want to make sure I have everything before I do the install.

I'm familiar with SS lines. They require a lot of maintenance and periodic inspection. At a minimum you should check them 1-2 times per year for frays and leaks (especially at the connections). If you go to a track and ask people about SS lines they will tell you that most brake failures at the track are caused with cars with SS lines. Whether it's installation error or poor quality parts. You barely hear of brakes failing on OEM lines. Top of the line sport cars don't have SS lines.. Although internally they are probably slightly different... Also there is a big difference between “DOT compliant” and “DOT approved”. A lot of these small companies who make and sell brake lines are all inferior lines which "look" good. The only SS lines I'll drive on are the coated Goodridge Phantoms lines. Although I hear that Goodridge non-coated and Stoptech lines are good too.

I will be tracking my car maybe a few times a year and the marginal 1%-2% benefits of SS lines aren't worth it for me. Google it and read about if SS lines are worth putting on daily drivers...

I just want a clean install and I assumed the best way was not to touch the lines except to where it meets the calipers. Causing a smaller chance of possible leaks. I know the "banjo" bolts are different but not sure exactly what I need in regards of lines, bolts, washers, etc.. I think I need to purchase the lines ($40) posted in the thread I posted but I'm not 100%...
By no means am I trying to seek the "cheap/unsafe" way out... My car is FBO with no "cheap" parts.. Sorry if I confused any of you.. lol

Hey brother,
Just some pointers if you do this your self.

1. Any after market steel braided or Kevlar brake line kit for the Z will work well. You can't mount the rear lines due to the bango fitting on the stock lines, you will need SS lines for the rear no matter what. The front can be modded and will work with some modification of the hard line but better to go with full set of lines.

2. Mounting Bolts, you don't need new bolts to mount them, just reuse the stock bolts the hold your base model calipers on for the front and rear.

3. Rotors, easy day use the set screw on the stock rotors and they will pop right off with a 12mm socket. The rear rotors use a 2x4 and a hammer to pop the rotor over the safety brake lip inside the rotor and it should pop right off after that.

4. Installing the rotors: The front is easy day, The dust shield on the rear will need to be trimmed. Its made to fit the Base rotors, I trim the lip off and from the mounting bolts I trim a large section off to clear the new caliper.

5. Brake lines: The aftermarket brake lines need to be attached to the back of your new calipers first. They are compression fittings so don't use Teflon. You have to mount the lines to the caliper first the run the connection strait to the hard line coming off the fender well. Ignore the brass blocks that come with the kit. It's a strait connection from hard line to caliper, make sure the line is ran around the strut and doesn't bind on anything.

6. Bleeding order from the Nissan Brake System PDF Manual R/Rear then L/Front then L/Rear then last R/Front.

So all in all the only issue with the swap is trimming the rear brake dust shields and getting new SS lines. Hope this helps you out. Easy swap..

This car is a Base Model we installed Infinity Calipers that have been powder coated, same calipers as the 370Z.

M3Lv0 · 08-05-2013, 10:21 AM

So basically if I want to upgrade my calipers/rotors the way to go is getting the Akebono set WITH the SS lines that arent included in the set. Right???

Nut_N_Much · 08-05-2013, 05:22 PM

If your referring to the Z1 kit yes the lines are in the kit, You will save money buying Infinity Calipers and having them powder coated then buy the rotors and lines from Z1. Every one jacks up the price on 370Z calipers. Take you time you can pick a set up for $5 to $700.00.

You will notice the brake isn't as stiff as your base model brakes. The reason is the Booster on the sport model is a different size and the hard lines that are on the sport are slightly larger in diameter than the base hard lines.

Connecting the new SS lines to the hard line and attaching it directly to the caliper helps stiffen the braking feeling a little bit but a good set of Pads you wont know the difference.

Also you need to fill the Brake Reservoir all the way to the top. The Sport brakes used a little more fluid, if you don't top the reservoir off all the way you will get VDC, Traction and E-Brake light will come on and freak you out.

Next time I do a set I'll take pictures and do a DIY for it.

M3Lv0 · 08-06-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nut_N_Much

If your referring to the Z1 kit yes the lines are in the kit, You will save money buying Infinity Calipers and having them powder coated then buy the rotors and lines from Z1. Every one jacks up the price on 370Z calipers. Take you time you can pick a set up for $5 to $700.00.

You will notice the brake isn't as stiff as your base model brakes. The reason is the Booster on the sport model is a different size and the hard lines that are on the sport are slightly larger in diameter than the base hard lines.

Connecting the new SS lines to the hard line and attaching it directly to the caliper helps stiffen the braking feeling a little bit but a good set of Pads you wont know the difference.

Also you need to fill the Brake Reservoir all the way to the top. The Sport brakes used a little more fluid, if you don't top the reservoir off all the way you will get VDC, Traction and E-Brake light will come on and freak you out.

Next time I do a set I'll take pictures and do a DIY for it.

Thank u very much

EndyKwon · 08-17-2013, 07:43 PM

What does the hardline look like anyways? Currently, I'm in the same situation as this guy and I did a temporary fix instead of SS lines, because that means another brake flush. This is how it sort of is at the moment: Mickey Mouse front rotor/caliper/brakehose. right side..
Where did it go wrong?

Also, installing the hardlines, does that mean i need to flush again?

EndyKwon · 08-19-2013, 06:50 PM

^ Anyone? *bump*

adidascanada · 03-20-2015, 07:48 AM

Good thread.....the info I was looking for was found here!

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Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2185	Goodridge sucks. Several of my corvette customers had leaky ones. As for the op, just get new crush washers and use the lines and bolts that you have. The akebonos use a hard line with a fitting on the end that goes into the caliper, but a banjo bolt should work just fine also, as there is a flat surface on there for the washers to mate up with. the only caveat to that could be the length of the base banjo bolts, they do have to be shorter than the depth of the caliper hole and the width of the block on the stock line. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

08-05-2013, 10:21 AM	#25 (permalink)
M3Lv0 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 144 Drives: '12-370z-PW-M6 Rep Power: 12	So basically if I want to upgrade my calipers/rotors the way to go is getting the Akebono set WITH the SS lines that arent included in the set. Right??? Nut_N_Much likes this.

08-05-2013, 05:22 PM	#26 (permalink)
Nut_N_Much A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pensacola Florida Posts: 1,696 Drives: Awesome Car Rep Power: 26	If your referring to the Z1 kit yes the lines are in the kit, You will save money buying Infinity Calipers and having them powder coated then buy the rotors and lines from Z1. Every one jacks up the price on 370Z calipers. Take you time you can pick a set up for $5 to $700.00. You will notice the brake isn't as stiff as your base model brakes. The reason is the Booster on the sport model is a different size and the hard lines that are on the sport are slightly larger in diameter than the base hard lines. Connecting the new SS lines to the hard line and attaching it directly to the caliper helps stiffen the braking feeling a little bit but a good set of Pads you wont know the difference. Also you need to fill the Brake Reservoir all the way to the top. The Sport brakes used a little more fluid, if you don't top the reservoir off all the way you will get VDC, Traction and E-Brake light will come on and freak you out. Next time I do a set I'll take pictures and do a DIY for it. omg35s and moore.speed like this. __________________ Did new cool science stuff to the car !!! http://www.the370z.com/mazoc/99606-z...y-14-17-a.html http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...-w-videos.html Last edited by Nut_N_Much; 08-05-2013 at 07:33 PM.

08-01-2013, 11:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ni55anPat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,833 Drives: Zed Rep Power: 18	If you currently have BASE brakes upgrading into the Akebono..... You will need "OEM 370z Front Sport Metal Hardlines (Connecting Lines to the Caliper)" Call up Z1motorsports and they will send them to you...i think it was like 9 bucks. This is the only thing you will need to upgrade. your base brake lines will work, just need that metal hardline I mentioned. The rears work with no modification....btw

08-17-2013, 07:43 PM	#28 (permalink)
EndyKwon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 422 Drives: '11 BSilver Base 7AT Rep Power: 13	What does the hardline look like anyways? Currently, I'm in the same situation as this guy and I did a temporary fix instead of SS lines, because that means another brake flush. This is how it sort of is at the moment: Mickey Mouse front rotor/caliper/brakehose. right side.. Where did it go wrong? Also, installing the hardlines, does that mean i need to flush again? Last edited by EndyKwon; 08-17-2013 at 09:39 PM.

08-19-2013, 06:50 PM	#29 (permalink)
EndyKwon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 422 Drives: '11 BSilver Base 7AT Rep Power: 13	^ Anyone? bump

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