Thanks! Are you looking into getting a camber kit? I had mine aligned the same day because the other party's insurance was covering it.

So far the adjusted rear camber is -2.6 deg for the left and -2.5 deg for the right. The front camber is -1.6 deg for the left and -1.5 deg for the right. I'm told the car is drivable, but it will eat tires if I don't get a camber kit.

I'm planning to get aligned probably next week so we'll see. Right now it doesn't look like it has as much negative camber as yours but I'm hoping they can get it back into spec. I think if I can get in the -1 degree range, I'll be happy and probably won't get a camber kit lol

Just to be on the save side im thinking of getting some front & rear camber kit for the swift spring i'll be installing once they arrived. Was wondering who's out there selling the SPC front & rear kit with a good offer?

My springs came in last night, YES, going to install them on saturday.

THMotorsoports has them for 509 shipped. Other sellers have the fronts for 365 and rears for 180, aprox.

Edit: http://www.the370z.com/thmotorsports...our-tires.html

Btw DIGItonium, whenever you get that INGS+1 kit on, can you measure how low it ends up being to the ground. I'm planning to get it eventually but wanna see how much I would scrape it up.

Those little rubber flaps in front of the tires are about 2 inches from the ground now and the sport pkg front diffuser is about 3 inches and they scrape on my driveway lol

My FI exhaust cans are now 3.5 inches from the ground and haven't scraped them yet... And on second look today, the rear camber does look like it's in the -2 degree range. I probably won't end up getting a camber kit and just live with the tire wear since it doesn't look like the wear would be much better with a 1 degree difference. We'll see how it goes after my alignment next week.

Man the car looks sweet!

That looks so good, sounds like a rear camber kit is all that is needed. Good to hear about the fronts at -1.6 & -1.5, that is about where I am with Eibachs and stock tires. I just finished looking at America's Tire Calculator and just punched in the 285/30/19 & 255/35/19 then read your above opinion on 285/30/19 and scraping on the driveway....ouch..looks like I will be looking for a taller tire both Fr & Rr. Yours does look perfect with 275/35 & 305/30. I have spacers so your setup will not work with mine...sigh.

Pretty much looked at all options and gonna settle on 245/40/19 & 285/35/19. Anything lower profile on the fronts will have me scraping the driveway. These have a 1.57 inch difference in section width. The stock tires difference in section width is 1.18 so I am hoping the difference will not place too much more understeer. The additional 5mm difference of the wheel spacers between Fr & Rr should compensate for the extra understeer....fingers crossed. Your car looks hawt!

Oh.....my Swift springs came in today...woot...woot!

Don't want to be redundant but just to clarify~ I should receive my swift's along with H&R spacers (15mm front, 20mm rear) on Monday according to FedEx.. Based on what I've read I'll more than likely need a rear camber kit but should be close enough to OEM specs with the front? Thanks to all you guys this thread has been amazing.

Sure thing, I dropped the bumper last night and test fitted the lip. I'm not exactly sure how the 3 screws fasten the lip to the bumper so I'm going to improvise by using locking washers and rubber washers through the holes for the OEM aero deflector.

After a day the springs settled some more and the camber changed a bit more. With the 305 tires, it seems like the strongest contact is on the inner half of the tire. It needs to be adjusted some more, so I'm probably going to get the camber kit and alignment done once the car gets shipped over to Baker in June.


I want more contact patch so the camber kit is definitely needed. Hopefully the SPCs offer caster adjustments as well. Yup, although the 275/35 up front is wider, it is still a tiny bit shorter than the 245/40. The 305/30 is definitely a tad shorter than 275/35 for the rear, but it is nowhere near as bad as 285/30 (poor recommendation). Trust me, I've posted in numerous threads and got scatterbrained over it. So far I'm happy with this decision, but I have only driven less than 10 mi. since I got the car back. The bumper and headlights are off so I'm going to be without the Z for awhile longer.

Here are some daytime pictures as the springs has settled a little bit more. The formula silver wheels contrast the gunmetal wheels off of tsolin01's car.
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Sounds like I should just go ahead and order the rear camber arms and pop 'em in while I'm doing the spring install.

My Swift springs will arrive today! Looking forward to getting them installed on my 40th this weekend. I put 15mm spacers all around last weekend and realized I really need a drop too :)

Yes, SPC front arms offer caster adjustment

anyone need spc parts I can also get that for you :)

Thanks for your feedback and I do trust you on not recommending the 285/30 Rr. I cannot afford to go any wider in the rear than 285/35 with my buldging 25mm spacers. And the fronts, well this time around I think I am better off with the taller stockers 245/40 for fear of sticking out too far with my 20mm spacers and most important fear of scraping up the driveway. I have the sport package +touring which comes with the lower black rubber splash guard as I call it and the front facing mud flaps..haha. They already scrape occassionaly but never has it scraped the bumber itself. I have always loved your wheels from day one. That would be one of my fisrt choices to go with my PG.

SPC Upper Coontrol Arms do have caster adjustment.....BUT....when I had them on my 350Z it was a trade off for camber...meaning if I wanted to be in OEM spec that the caster was going to be more on the forward slant...meaning high speed instalbility...which I never felt any instability at 100 + mph...but not driving at thoses speeds for any substained amount of time.

Should be ok with just rear camber kit.....dont forget to get from NICK at THMotorsports the TOE bolts....Everyone will def need them.

As far as an Upper Control Arm, I am hoping not. I am currently on Eibachs 0.09 drop Fr on stocker tire 245/40 and I am at -1.5 & -1.6 which is at the far end of OEM spec actually it's a mm out of range but that is the setup I wanted to keep the rear camber setting.

I will def post up my alignment spec sheet once I get the alignment done with my new Swift springs.

Woohoo, just got my springs today. I am hoping to get everything installed as soon as I get my H&R spacers for the front!

I have no time to install them this weekend, probably won't be on til next weekend at the soonest. Quite a downer.

What are the Toe Bolts for? I'm going to hold off on getting a Rear Camber kit as of just yet, what to see how the alignment goes first. I have the spacers and the springs and will be installing them late tonight or tomorrow morning. Pics of a Sexy 40th coming up!

I got my rears to -1.9 without a rear camber kit. Tires have been fine so I am leaving it the way it is. Woot!!!

http://www.the370z.com/members/tjlaz...installed.jpeg

How many miles since you have been driving around with -1.9

I ask b/c I just started driving and I have -1.7

5K

I thought you had a complete set after you picked up my 20mm's. Hit up Josh@Stillen pm him, he is always on this forum.

Sigh.....me too I have mine scheduled with my installer for next Sat. It should work out as I am pulling the trigger on some RE-11 tonight hopefully just trying to hook up the deal locally at Tognotti's thru a friend. Hopefully better price than Tire Rack's price @ $1,239 shipped. I can negotiate as I will be buying 8 tires (for 2 cars).

They were the only things that got my camber back in a decent range for the settings I was looking for. I believe I posted here previously what my rears were set to. I want to say they were set to -1.00. Again it's probably on the far end of OEM spec. It's a personnel preference on what camber setting you are looking for SO NOT EVERYONE MAY NEED TOE BOLTS. It depends on the setup you are looking for.

I cannot remember (I have the alignment sheet at home) and I know I said for the fronts I have -1.5 and -1.6 although it might be -1.4 and -1.3 with a difference of 0.3 between front and rear is what I was trying to achieve. Which would put my rears at -1.00 and -1.00.

I think that is what mine were with the Eibachs which I wanted more of a 0.3 difference between Fr and Rr so I had to go with the TOE Bolts.

REAR CAMBER KITS CAN BE ORDERED WITH OR WITH OUT TOE BOLTS. I have always gone with the TOE bolts in my kit when ordering just in case I need them. Separately the TOE BOLTS run about $75. But ordering with the KIT there is a big savings. Nick@THMotorsports can hook up anyone needing Camber Kits with or without toe bolts. :tup: Your car looks great!!

KamiSpeed also has SPC products!

Yep, I purchased them from Josh a couple of days ago. I was going to wait for the DRM's but I could not wait any longer. So I pulled the trigger on the DRS's =). Should be here soon. Thanks again Zforce!

You got some top notch quality spacers going with H&R and actually you are probably better off with the DSR's (stud replacement) as in less lug nuts to tighten down...IMO. Glad you were able to pick up my last set. When you get everything installed and aligned post up some pics and especially the alignment print out sheet. :tiphat:

You'll be fine with those camber levels, especially if you hit the twisties from time to time. Factory specs have our tires way too upright for performance.

That cool I did my own alignment and was weary about too much - camber I put the front @-1.3 and the rear @-1.7 and yes here in Georgia we have plenty of twisty roads in the north mountains.:tup:

To those of you who have had Swifts installed for a while now, has the ride gotten any harsher now that the springs have settled in? I'm about to order mine now.

To TOE or Not To TOE
 

Update: I found my alignment printout out sheet and still have no access to scanner to post up, but here are the specs on the alignment before and after and with toe bolts and without. Again these are from my Eibach springs but it should give everyone an idea as to if they need a rear camber kit and/or upper control arms. It's true that Swift has a lower drop than Eibach and I will post up my alignment specs once the Swift springs are installed. So lets dive in with some numbers.

Fist off I want to point out that I was NOT wanting to get the alignment into to happy range of OEM as I was going with a certain setup that will maximize handeling. I have about 3-5k on the Eibachs with this alignment and very happy with handeling. I will be shooting for the same range with Swift. I am at the far end of the spectrum range but still within OEM specs, just not in the middle range.


Eibach springs
Rear Camber Arms NO TOE BOLT


Eibach drop is 0.9 Front and 0.8 Rear
compared to
Swift drop is 1.2 Front and 1.0 Rear.

Front OEM spec is 0.1 to -1.4

Fronts BEFORE
-1.2 & -1.5
Fronts AFTER
-1.2 & -1.4

Rear OEM spec is -1.2 to -2.2

Rear BEFORE
-2.8 & -2.0
Rear AFTER
-1.9 & -1.7

OEM spec for TOE
1.0 to 2.7

REAR TOE AFTER
1.3 & 1.2


The TOE BOLT WILL NOT BE NEEDED if you want camber to be within OEM spec and more towards one end of the range.

If you want the rear camber to be more close to ZERO (or anything more positive than -1.9) then you WILL NEED the TOE BOLT.


For my setup I wanted the rear camber to be within 0.3 difference from the fronts. For example the fronts set to -1.3 then rears will be set to -1.0 always wanting to more negative camber in the fronts than the rears.



Here are the numbers WITH TOE BOLT INSTALLED.


Front BEFORE
-1.3 & -1.6
Front AFTER
-1.3 & -1.6



Rear BEFORE
-1.9 &-1.8
Rear AFTER
-1.1 & -1.0

TOE Rear BEFORE
1.3 & 1.2
Toe Rear AFTER
1.9 & 1.5

With the toe bolt installed it opened up a more desirable camber range towards -0.0 that without the toe bolt we were stuck at -1.8 and could not get anymore positive camber (like -1.0).

Even though these alignment specs are from Eibach springs, it will prove that the rears are not far off (quess-timate) from Swifts alignment specs since there is only a -0.2 difference in drop from Eibach and Swift. This proves that most users will have the same results on the rear settings mentioned above and will have a choice depending on what rear camber setting they are trying to achieve.

Desired rear camber setting:

To stay within the mid range of OEM = NO TOE BOLT
To adjust down to the -1.0 range = NEED TOE BOLT

As far as the front setting mentioned above, these are not going to be same for this comparision because there is a 0.3 difference between Eibach and Swift. I cannot comment on this comparsion and only hope the Swifts do not set the negative camber out of the OEM range. As more posts come in from users we will be able to get a better idea.

Eibach drop = 0.9
Swift drop = 1.2

Now that you have read this lengthy post I have to admit, I wrote this as a reminder to myself for when and I will, loose the original alignment spec printout. Btw: the alignment rack used is a HUNTER brand.

If it helped any users, then I did not waste any cyberspace.

Nope, rides just the same as the first time I drove it. If anything, they might even get slightly more compliant as they have settled in, but nothing I could feel to be honest.

Just had my installed at corner3garage and I haven't driven around much yet (still waiting for springs to settle and to do an alignment) but I can guarantee that the springs do bounce a bit more over slight bumps. Again still waiting for the springs to adjust to its new setting. Just dont want to give people the wrong impression that it feels just like stock.

I wish that someone was installing my springs for me while I'm London.
Might be a few weeks of that box of springs on my kitchen table ' tip I get 'round to doing the install.

Installed H&R drs series spacers today. 15mm front/ 20mm rear. Probably could have went with 20/25 with the swift drop but came out pretty good. Now for an alignment!
http://www.the370z.com/members/tauru...31807-hr12.jpg Drop with spacers

http://www.the370z.com/members/tauru...e31808-hr7.jpg Rear 20mm

http://www.the370z.com/members/tauru...e31809-hr6.jpg Front 15mm

http://www.the370z.com/members/tauru...103-swift2.jpg Swift springs w/o spacers

http://www.the370z.com/members/tauru...ure25646-a.jpg Stock

Another happy Swift customer, along with H&Rs

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Got my springs & spacers on today, and loving them so far. Noticeable difference right off the bat. Doesn't harshen the ride at all and definitely reduces body roll, boosting overall road feel. There's a good amount of negative camber on the rear right now, but should be reduced once I get the car aligned next weekend after the springs have settled. Obviously these are a great buy for $330.

Pics brought to you by an iPhone 4:
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More pics with a better camera

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Came out looking good! Do you think 20mm & 25mm would fit? Are you rolling on stock tires?

Hopefully I will have some photos up after this weekend of 20mm & 25mm on stock tires.

That negative camber should come out with alignment and put you within OEM spec. Now these photos look more like the 1.2 drop I used to see on my350Z with H&R springs. The tire is tucked under the fender a bit, it's what I expected to see. Is there enough room to squeeze 265/35/19 on the front with your 20mm spacers? How are the driveways?

So.... much.... Swift. It's Swift overload today!