That's not fair. You mean Stoptech FTW. Lol

no, staying for the foreseeable future on aggressive street tires. Juno told me she feels like she's starting to need more braking, so before I spring for the am performance bbk, I want to try running the xp10's. My only worry is potentially triggering ice mode, hasn't been a problem on 8s all around. If 10's all around trigger it, might try the xp10/xp8 f/r combo after that. we'll see what happens.

Let me know after you test that. Has AM released there kit?

I'm really undecided where I want to go. I want a good track car but a balance of still being streetable at all times. That's why went with 8's at the moment. And I'll probably stay on street tires (RE 11's). But time will tell.

When Shamu posted about having their bbk, I pm'd am performance and they indicated that I could purchase it from them as well iirc, or that it would be available at some point, I'd have to go back thru my pm's and see exactly what they said. I can confidently say that at some point in the future, our Z will have their (or perhaps stoptech) bbk. I can also see us puchasing am performance's jrz coilover setup as well at some point.

Kinda of in the same boat as you wiht our Z. it sees a significant amount of track time, but neither of us are willing to turn it inot a a strictly track only car, it will be stayinga dual use car, with an emphasis on track for the foreseeable future. Running PS2s currently (since PSS aren't available in our stock sizes yet and the RE11's were sold out when we needed tires a month ago).

stoptech too, but I ran XP12s with my brembo/akebono combo too.

I also have run the XP12s with my AD-08 tires, and while you will get lock up a little earlier, they are still manageable with (semi) street tires.

I'd love to have some JRZ's. But my funds next year are going to have towards seats, harness, and 4point cage. Plus I have some other things but nothing thats track related. But I can say my Stance coilovers really impressed me highly my last track day. My instructor shock on how planted and firm my car was. Which Stance has higher spring rates which I love.

pls keep me/everyone else that cares, posted on where/what company does your cage, I'm assuming you're going with a one off custom piece since it seems there's no "bolt in" option afaik.

Am I right in assuming that Carbotech doesn't make xp8 for non sport brakes?
I really don't want to upgrade to sport brakes. Would good pads, SS lines, and a quality fluid be enough for the occasional autocross or should I suck it up and fork out for the sport brakes?

Yeah the stock brakes will be okay for auto-cross, it takes several back to back runs on a hot day and a long course to get them overheated.

Agree with Chris. You don't need to do anything to a stock 370 to be able to autocross. Go enjoy the car.

Works for me. Thanks guys.

I thought about upgrading pads, but I agree with this. When I get my 370Z, it will stay OEM pads. Why? because the brake-pads are just fine with the rest of the car. If you want to SERIOUSLY track it, from what I understand:

Oil cooler
Different diff
Different rotors
Different pads
Brake ducting
Upgrade brake-fluid

etc.etc.etc.

The 370Z is not my Z06. It's not an all-out track effort. It's meant for people like me who will have some fun with it through the twisties, and do an HPDE every now and then just to enjoy the atmosphere and BS with friends and learn a little something.

I have come to appreciate that concept a lot more, having now owned a no BS track-ready-from-the-box car. You can't have it all. Not for under $100K. Start getting into the AMG BLACK series cars and the like, and you can...but that's not germane to the discussion.

I just put ceramics on my Infiniti G20 and love them. Good on Nissan, I think. The no-dust even from my cheap pads on my G20 is astounding. That car dusted the rims BAD with the OEM brake pads.

I miss dusting the hell out of my rims. I am running HPS now and they are nice on the street and my wheels look squeaky clean even after a month... but I want my Ferodos back. :icon17:

If anybody wants some Hawks HP+ pads I'll make a killer deal on them. Only have about 2000 miles on them. They are dusty. Just want to move them. I need to post them up.

LOL I had to look at this again to make the connection. Ferodo. :bowrofl:

/\ the ones in red above aren't requirments imo, I agree with the rest of the list tho, and also the fact that for street driving, stock pads are fine.

I'd say for light track duty (road course, ~30min sessions, no slicks/wings, etc), this is about all you need on a 370Z, at least a sport package one. Carbotech XP8s and RBF600 and a 25-ish row add-on oil cooler. Swaybars are nice too.

I'd say your spot on, but would still add 1 more thing: at least 1/2 a tank of gas. Fuel starvation will hit even if your on street tires.

But to stay on topic, the XP10 and 8 combo have worked great for me on track. For street and autox the stock pads are fine, although the added bite of the Carbotech pads is something I miss every time I switch back to stock.

tell me about it! I just switched my stoptechs over from XP12 to the stoptech pads that came with the car so I can drive it on the street a little this off season and its a freaky feeling not having that bite!

How are the xp8 if you have to daily drive and 5-6 track days a year? A little too lazy to swap the night before going to the track. Will I just completely kill the rotors for a DD?

I run the 8's always. Even though it's not a DD I still get out regularly. The ate more than fine for DD. Carbo's are rotor friendly. I've track three days on mine and rotors are still perfect.

^ They're fine on rotors, but I think whether XP8's noise level is good for you is gonna be pretty subjective and subject to conditions. I don't think there's any way around it, I've never heard of a good track pad that wasn't noisy cold and/or under street conditions.

My personal experience with the XP8 was that as long as it was *mostly* driven in track-like conditions and kept bedded properly, it was pretty damn quiet. But when you drive them for an extended period (weeks, months) of street driving, over time they get increasingly noisy. At one point my fronts were so loud I was cringing every time I had to come to a light stop at a stoplight.

I think a contributing factor was that it's winter (so they're even colder) and that when daily-driving on the street, I put a high emphasis on not using my brakes much. I prefer to predict and downshift and come to slow stops in general, it's just less wear on everything involved, and less concern about relying on a fallible brake system being the only thing between me and plowing into some soccer mom's minivan at high speed.

I think if you track more often, and/or the weather's warmer, and/or your hard enough on your brakes on the street to get them nice and hot regularly, and/or you don't care so much about noise, you could run the XP8's on the street. But I decided not to, and now I'm swapping in their Bobcat series on the same rotors for street use.

I am going to give the XP8s a try in spring. :tup:

Also: pad changes are super easy on the sport package calipers, because the pads pull out of the backside of the caliper easy without taking anything else off. At each corner, the whole process is, literally: take off wheel, remove two cotter pins, pull two long pins out, and then swap the pads (with a little finagling to get the new one to push the piston back out of the way).

Where do you guys buy your Carbotechs?

I buy mine from Forged Performance. The first call I gave them they gave me the best pricing on first quote. No other shop wanted to match it without hassle. I always look for the deals even if it's $5. I deal with three shops back and fourth. Hopefully one day one of the three will just give up and always offer me the best deals.

/\ see sig, semi DD and around 5 track days (events) per year here, no problem driving them daily, wife and I have a VERY high tolerance for squeaks, noise etc so we both think they're super quiet. Can't hear any squeaking over the sound of the F.I. exhaust system anyway :icon17:

Forged Performance, talk to Sharif, he'll take good car of you. :tup:

thanks for the replies, I will order the xp8's and try to dd on them and see what happens. If the brake pad change is that easy, I should just swap them myself. I better order them soon since I have my next track day on the 14th.

Hey guys Im getting a bad vibration during braking. Im guessing my pads are screwed. Rotors SEEM fine, I dont think the vibration is being caused by them. I think Im gonna do rotors anyway. Im wondering about the Stillen pads though. Stillen is running a special, buy rotors get their pads free. Anyone run these pads or have any insight about them. Im either gonna go with the Stillen package or get slotted front/rear Stoptechs w Project Mu street pads. Suggestions?

The Stillen pads are probably good for street use. Do they have any temp ratings available?

Their rotors are nice. Well priced too.

I can do the Stoptech slotted for $500 front/rear shipped. Super good deal. The Stillens will prob cost about $700 or so all around. I didnt notice temp ratings on the pads, ill have to check. Those Stillen slotteds look good on your Stang:tup:

bump! looking to upgrade brakes. What do you guys recommend as far as pads? I need something better that stock to hold TT power but nothing too noisy. Not planning on tracking anytime soon. I mainly want something that wont fade at ZdayZ.:driving:

Has any body had experience with the Stillen metal matrix pads?

You mean for Tail of the Dragon? You should get some good brake-cooling windows between hard hits there I think, all total 11 miles is a good deal shorter than the average HPDE session, and you probably won't be hitting that stretch at 9/10ths anyways in terms of grip and braking. So I'd think a high quality street pad would work fine there.

The only two street pads I've used w/ the Sports brakes on the 370Z are Hawk HPS and Carbotech Bobcat. Both worked great :). Pretty much any track pad is gonna make enough noise that you'll hate it on a DD, IMHO, and everyone around you will think your brakes are broken. Ask me how I know, heh. I get "fix your damn brakes" stares from people at stoplights all the time now when they hear all the squealing. I can shut them up for a while with a light re-bedding, but regular street driving inevitably brings the squealing back after several miles.

I made my XP10/XP8 combo smoke on my second run up the dragon. It's definitely possible if you jam on the gas on the little straights. :)

I would probably recommend the Bobcat as well. Quiet, light dust, and good feel.

Are the Bobcats the AX6?

Nope the 1521 compound. Guess they've dropped the Bobcat name entirely.

I see. Thanks! Who carries them?

How about the B-Spec from poject mu? temp rating is a bit more than the bobcats at 500*C

Forged Performance has some of the best pricing when it comes to Carbotech. Everyone has tried to charge me 30-40 bucks more. Tell them Christopher Spohn sent you if you go that route.

I was gonna get the B-Spec but decided to save few bucks and go with the Type NS. Their temp rating is 400*c. Im expecting them to do just fine. See you at ZDAYZ Ron:tup: