About to get an Alignment, 2nd opinion please?

Ghostvette · 12-06-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JenovaI

I just put SPL front camber and rear camber/toe arms on my z and need an alignment. I currently have KW v3 at max height with settings all in the middle. Stillen sways, stiff rear middle front. Rears are pilot super sport 325/30/19 front are RS3 245/40/19. quaife torsen LSD.

I'm supercharged at 479hp to the rear wheels and my biggest annoyance is how fast I lose traction when I hit the throttle so I'm hoping to focus my alignment specs on that. I do spirited daily driving and canyon runs, no track time yet.

After research I feel like i should go:
FRONT -1.5 camber 0 toe 5.17 caster
REAR -1.8 camber, 1/32" R+ 1/32" L toe in (so like .01 degree toe in total)

Gomer's suggestions makes me think:
FRONT -2 camber 0 toe 5.17 caster
REAR -1.2 camber, 1/32" R+ 1/32" L toe in (so like .01 degree toe in total)

i THINK this is the best I can do for launch and corner traction without going through tires like crazy. Anyone have suggestions otherwise?

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Originally Posted by JenovaI

So after agonizing over different opinions I decided to pick some numbers that went along the middle of what everyone suggested.

Front: -2 Camber, 5 Caster, 0 Toe
Rear: -1.5 Camber, 1/16" total toe in (.134 degrees total toe in)

That's at least the specs I gave my alignment guy. This is what I got back as the best he could do: Alignment Printout

Transcript of what I ended up with:
Front: -1.7|-1.8 camber, 5|4.8 caster, .1|.08 degrees toe in (.18 degrees total toe in)
Rear: -1.9|-2 camber, .22|.28 degrees toe in (1/2" or .5 degrees total toe in)

Lots of excuses about not being able to get toe exactly where i want, i guess I need to do toe bolts front and back because even with SPL fuca, rear camber and rear traction arms I still somehow don't have enough adjust-ability.

Most notable is that the toe in in the rear is .5 degrees, which this calculator says is 1/2" total toe in? That's WAY too much right? That's even with .5 more negative camber than i wanted there too. My front is 3/32" in total as well when I wanted 0. This is frustrating after $1200 in SPL parts.

If you got the titanium fully adjustable rear traction, camber and toe arms, there is no reason why the 'alignment' guy could not have set everything to your spec. My question would be, is this a 'reputable' shop and does the 'alignment' guy know what he is doing?

IMHO, I'd take it to someone else. SPL says their stuff is designed to give maximum adjustability for vehicles using what you have for coil overs. It appears that the shop you took it to was too lazy to do the job right.

JenovaI · 12-06-2016, 03:21 PM

For the rear I only have the "camber" and "traction" arms as the toe arms said they're for if you go true coilover setup.. I figured since i could dial in camber anywhere i want with the arms the stock toe bolts would be good enough, sigh. In fact I'm pretty sure i still have SPC toe bolts in my garage i just didnt install them because i didn't think i'd need them.

The shop guys is pretty decent, but I wouldn't call him a master by any means. He's just the only shop close to me that can get my car on his alignment lift. everyone has too big a ramp going up and will rip my low Stillen front bumper off.

JenovaI · 12-06-2016, 05:24 PM

Wait if toe bolts only adjust 1 more degree of toe (which means only .5 degrees more out) That shouldn't really make a difference in getting me back towards 0 toe right? Naturally the car at stock camber should be able to go either toe in or toe out quite a bit so If im right in the middle of rear camber spec i should be able to easily hit toe spec.

**** i hate dealing with other mechanics. I wish i could do my alignment myself.

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12-06-2016, 03:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
JenovaI Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Costa Mesa, CA Posts: 255 Drives: 11 370z Supercharged Rep Power: 11	For the rear I only have the "camber" and "traction" arms as the toe arms said they're for if you go true coilover setup.. I figured since i could dial in camber anywhere i want with the arms the stock toe bolts would be good enough, sigh. In fact I'm pretty sure i still have SPC toe bolts in my garage i just didnt install them because i didn't think i'd need them. The shop guys is pretty decent, but I wouldn't call him a master by any means. He's just the only shop close to me that can get my car on his alignment lift. everyone has too big a ramp going up and will rip my low Stillen front bumper off.

12-06-2016, 05:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
JenovaI Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Costa Mesa, CA Posts: 255 Drives: 11 370z Supercharged Rep Power: 11	Wait if toe bolts only adjust 1 more degree of toe (which means only .5 degrees more out) That shouldn't really make a difference in getting me back towards 0 toe right? Naturally the car at stock camber should be able to go either toe in or toe out quite a bit so If im right in the middle of rear camber spec i should be able to easily hit toe spec. **** i hate dealing with other mechanics. I wish i could do my alignment myself.