Rear Speaker size
 

What size rear Speaker have to get ?
recommend Good rear speaker please ....

most people are just disconnecting the rear. theyre useless.

There are a few threads about this. They are small like 3.5 I think they were. They are unless for a small sports car like the z use that money towards a netters amp or better components

I do not agree, rear fill has a place with the majority of listeners. I for one do not agree with the idea of removing something that can add depth to a stereo image. I bet most people if they had upgraded the rears also would leave them in play, only a true Audiophile would object to some rear fill and true Audiophiles only listen at home anyway. Anyone else is just trying to be trendy, I say don't take out the rear they have their place.

To each there own but people have been much happier with better fronts. Even regular people like it as well as myself running no rears in a civic. Look ay it this way a concert all your audio is in front of you not coming from the rear. Those small speakers are going to screw with where you thing the sound is coming from because they are so close to your ears. What are those small speakers gping to do other than limit how high you can go before they clip unless you fade them out. Just my though as a guy into sq.

Maybe you don't understand what rear fill means, they are only faded in at very low levels to add a depth to a sound stage hence the word FILL, any car has challenges creating an accurate flat sound stage when the music is being played in a tin can.

Don't confuse what I am saying the front stage is the biggest part to creating a good sound stage, but when you don't put any rear speakers in what so ever then you have no chance of adding any rear fill if you so want cause you took them out. ODVIOUSLY :rolleyes:

Same reason for putting the 2 10" in my system, how can you really crank it if you never put the system in capable of those levels in the first place. You can always turn it down or off if you want, but how are you gonna put them back easily if you want. Ever heard of the saying you can always cut more wood off but it's way harder to put it back?

Some like just the fronts; others are happy with the rear-fill.

Search on my posts. I have some 'serious' components (IMHo), but ended up having the rears.

Careful on your rear- speaker selection. You need to find low-profile ones.

As I say whatever makes the customer happy.

+1

Having read most of the threads on speaker size and rear speaker (yea vs. nay), I've come to the conclusion that I'm putting them in. I'm not going to locate the thread now, but I've read (on this forum) that a 4" will fit with modifications. Personally, I'm putting Focal 100 CVX 4" Coaxials in back and 165 V30s up front. I plan to do the full install of everything this week and will put up a documentation afterward.

bigaudiofanat is a rockstar when it comes to advice and knowledge and has provided this forum and many folks with excellent direction and advice. I politely disagree with his philosophy of rear speakers, but recognize his talent and expertise and will be using his thoughts in my install.

Cheers,
Kevin

I'm in the midst of installing a pair of Infinity Kappa 32.9cf 3 1/2" and they went in with minor (5 minutes) modification to the body panel. The Infinitys have a lip that fits perfectly over the lip in the body panel. I'll know positively tonight whether or not there need to be any other mods, but I'm 90% sure the panels will go back in with no other changes needed.

In reference to the concert listening. When you're at a concert, there is quite a bit of echo and reverberations that don't happen in a car. I personally like having sound all over the place, especially if you have a 5.1 HU.

It's all personal taste I guess.

Here's the thread you were looking for.

http://www.the370z.com/audio-video/2...fabbed-up.html

@ TreeSemdyZee

Thanks for the link - I'm in the midst of fully damplifying my car. I've looked at the rear speaker options and I'm going to have to fab something up to fit the Focal 100 CVX's in the rear.

I agree with you that sound usually has resonance and bounces off of places when listening. Also, I figure, why ask 2 speakers to do what 4 can do? Why not spread the load? Yes, some folks tell me to put the $ from the rears into the fronts and I'll get better sound - but I'm guessing the Focal 165 V30s are a pretty good place to be in the fronts. Just a thought.

Kevin

they should use the rear speakers as noise cancellation speakers..

I disagree, there is plenty of volume able to be produced from the fronts that rears are not needed. People that are installing them will find out that they are going to be over ran with the rears and have to turn them way down.

no one cars, big. im sorry. :icon17:

:bowrofl: ;)

Cars lol,:ninja3:

No biggie :tup: Just giving my experience with these cars.

hahaha, you couldn't come up with a comeback so you used my type-o. :rofl2:

Measurements show that in a typical concert hall only about 11% of the sound is heard directly from the instruments while 89% is reflected sound that adds depth. I added 3 1/2" Infinities in the rear and think that the rear speakers add a depth you can't get when you are sitting very close (and therefore hear less reflected sound) to the two speakers up front.

So every single SQ competition running just a front stage is wrong?

Recording artists record their music in two channel stereo not concert halls or 5.1 Dolby surround. Music was ment to be heard in two channel stereo.

I don't know about SQ competitions but you statement about concert hall sound coming only from the front was wrong - reflective sound is very important. It is why music sounds better in a concert hall than listening to it in someone's field. Personally, I think a concert recorded in 5.1 dolby has much more depth than one recorded in stereo.

Actually even concert halls "good ones at least" have absorption material behind the seating to restrict reflectivity of audio so do really good HT systems.

Sorry i gotta side with bigfoot on this one. with the sub or subs in the rear
that is all the feel you need.

the 350's where right behind the headrests and there were over powered bad.
the only way to blend them was to adjust fade on the fronts way down so the rears could be heard.

in a bigger sound stage maybe, in a z i don't think so

unless someone mounts to 6x9s in each rear quarter panel.

I as well am with big on this. The z wether it be a 350z or the newer 370z, they have small cabin space and there is no need for rear speakers. Sorry to anyone that disagree's it is your car do what you want but for me and people that I do work for rear speakers in a z sounds terrible, as big pointed out they distort quickly and if your answer to that is to fade them out than why bother having them.

Hey now I do have big feet :icon18:

Focal K2 4"
 

I've been researching the Focal series speakers and came across these components. Has anyone experienced these in the back of the Z? They could be a nice option.

If you install components in the back you are going to have to mount the tweeters in a new location the speakers back there are coaxial's and do not have a spot for tweeters, I would look for a pair of coaxial's back there if you must have rears. Otherwise your asking for way to much in the highs department.

Them look nice but I agree with Matt, you should go Coax in that location and spend more on the front set. I am also going all Focal, trying to decide if the Power series is that much better than the Poly series. Not sure, I was also thinking trying to do a three way setup for the fronts. Buy some new front kick panels do a fiberglass enclosure 4" in there, that would be a fun project. :yum:

Go with the poly, much better response also good luck getting 3 ways in a z, with your legs being right up against the panel I would stay with 2 way, even if you put a mid in the dash it would just look to stupid not to mention the steal me factor. I am running 3 ways in my civic and I had a hard enough time finding a place for the mids. As long as you are looking at focal give image dynamics a look as well, more tame tweeters and smoother as well.

Im doing a 3way setup in mine, Morel Elate's. I havent decided fully on positioning yet, but the 3" fits in the dash so it will probably be upfront. Ive built alot of kicks, but in this car I think to get the positioning right it will be too intrusive on my feet.

Morel are just sex from what I have heard! Not to mention all the awards and trophies they win at competitions. Nice choice man what amps are you running and your going active right?

Im slowly collecting the stuff. I have all the speakers and the amps and deck, Im still working on everything else. Im running the morels, an alpine pdxm12, a pdx f6, 3 8w7's, and an alpine iva-w505 (had a second one with a broke screen I just repaired for 12 bucks). As for anything else I havent made all my decisions yet.

The 3" fits in the tweeter location? That would sure make a 3 way a ton easier to install.

the 3" I have will, I cant make that statement for all of them since they can all be a little different. Mine will go with little to no mod. Im not sure how those focal 4"s would go.

Wow those Elate look amazing! What model you installing? The crossovers look off the hook.

Normal 3 ways use 4 inch mids they do make 3 inch but you have to remember one thing about 3 way setups it is all about the imaging of the speakers not just where they will fit.

You know something Matt not everyone on here knows nothing about audio, I started doing high end audio back when you were still in diapers.

Just giving out some friendly advice. Rather do that than see someone throw away money. Also I do not know what you know and there are other people here as well.

I'm running the elate6 set. I believe I will get a good soundstage out of the dash. If I can't I will start building. I was the head custom installer at a shop for 10years and have previously been sponsored (it wasn't hard to get sponsored back in the day if you built nice things). I left it to pursue another career after the Internet and transshipping destroyed the audio business.

I am really interested in your setup, keep us posted how your 3-way setup works out.