Jl 13w7?

VP1 · 02-15-2010, 09:20 PM

do you think its a good fit for the Z? and i need experts that worked on Zs b4, what shop you suggest in/around the philly area.

jmtt90 · 02-15-2010, 11:36 PM

I would think a 13w7 would be a bit overkill for the z's limited space. Just my opinion though.

Liquid_G · 02-16-2010, 09:44 AM

haha I had a 13w7 in my 07 Maxima.. that thing is a beast. Paired it with a JL 1000/1 amp and my windshield wipers would bounce across the windshield..
Although it would be awesome, yes it might be a bit overkill. Not even sure how you could fit that in there.

FuszNissan · 02-16-2010, 09:49 AM

It's fine, I had 3 10w6v2's in my 350

Liquid_G · 02-16-2010, 10:01 AM

that actually got me thinking... found this from a quick google search.. in a 350z

How To Install 13w7, Two Amps, Two Xovers, All Behind The Arch Of 350z - Volvospeed Forums

speedoflife · 02-16-2010, 10:07 AM

Too heavy and pricey. You can get something just a good for a lot cheaper. Check out SSA or Ascendant Audio or Fi.
One of the least known, yet best, subwoofer brands out there:
https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

Ascendant Audio is a dealership-based only subcompany of Fi. Their Havoc series subs are top notch for your application:
Ascendantaudio.com

bigaudiofanat · 02-16-2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedoflife

Too heavy and pricey. You can get something just a good for a lot cheaper. Check out SSA or Ascendant Audio or Fi.
One of the least known, yet best, subwoofer brands out there:
https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

Ascendant Audio is a dealership-based only subcompany of Fi. Their Havoc series subs are top notch for your application:
Ascendantaudio.com

Finally someone that agrees with me

FuszNissan · 02-16-2010, 11:02 AM

Interesting that the Havoc sub is a carbon copy of the JL w series.

bigaudiofanat · 02-16-2010, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Interesting that the Havoc sub is a carbon copy of the JL w series.

Still the price you pay for JL stuff makes people think it is the best when there is so much better quality stuff out there. Even some of it better than JL for cheaper.

FuszNissan · 02-16-2010, 12:03 PM

I hear you, price to performance, but does that make the Z better than porsche?

I will leave it alone, I know you are not a big fan of JL, even thought they are a great company.

speedfreak28 · 02-16-2010, 12:51 PM

The 13W7 Is a great sub, overpriced sure. The AA havoc is a great sub as well. OP, what are you goals? to jsut get loud? SQ? or both? Check out the SSA xcon. Its a great sounding sub that can get crazy loud.

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/s...7B47%7DD2.html

speedoflife · 02-16-2010, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Interesting that the Havoc sub is a carbon copy of the JL w series.

Absolutely untrue. Yes, the dustcaps are very similar, but it is a nice change from the "boob" style cone with small dustcap.
The Havoc's response curve it nothing short of spectacular for a stiff suspension'd subwoofer with high power handling:

The baskets are also nothing alike: the JL has its own unique (but freaking heavy) basket design, while the Havoc has a more traditional 12-spoke design:

The Qts (basically a combination of mechanical and electrical handling of the subwoofer) are nearly identical on both subs, motor strength is not listed for the W7, but the Havoc has a very, very respectable 19.8 Tesla meters. The W7 has a lower resonance at 23.x Htz, and the Havoc's 29.x Htz is a little sad (it's still very good compared to MOST subs) for those of us who like bass we can't hear (just feel), but 95% of your music will be played at 30+ Htz. The power handling and xmax (excursion) of the subs is similar as well (30mm for Havoc and 32mm for the W7 -- more than you'll ever need in both cases). Although the W7 is rated to take 500 more watts RMS, the Havoc is underrated at 1000. My amp puts out 1472 watts at 14.4 volts (my electrical system runs at 14.8-15.2 volts) and the Havoc eats it up no problem (more volts = more wattage output).

However, there is one huge difference in the two subs:
The Havoc literally costs half the W7 and weighs 15 pounds less.

Personally, I think the choice is obvious. Havoc is to F.I. as JL Audio is to HKS. Both EXCELLENT products, but one includes a "royalty" brand fee.

All info on the AA Havoc applies to the Fi Q as well -- they are similarly priced and VERY VERY similar subs (basically the same sub for two different names. (proven by a Fi Q vs AA Havoc test done by me here: Fi Q vs Havoc)

Just let me know if you have any questions regarding subs and/or general car audio!

speedoflife · 02-16-2010, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedfreak28

The 13W7 Is a great sub, overpriced sure. The AA havoc is a great sub as well. OP, what are you goals? to jsut get loud? SQ? or both? Check out the SSA xcon. Its a great sounding sub that can get crazy loud.

SSA Xcon 12" Sub woofer1750rms 31mm Xmax

Another GREAT option. So much went into making this sub guys. It's an incredible piece of equipment. Oh and screw JL amps. For that price, I could get 3 Sundown Audio amps!!! And Jake (the owner of Sundown) is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Customer service for that company = A+++

ddvette9 · 02-16-2010, 02:22 PM

VP1, check my signature and you will se I am running a 10w7 powered ONLY by 250x1 rms. This sub is supposed to have 400-500 rms to perform well and with my setup it gives me a headache. I have to turn the bass down to -3 or 0 a lot with most of my music, and again thats running the sub at half of its capabilities.

I listen to hip hop and trance, so I listen to some very deep music. My 10w7 straight blows people away, no questios asked.

a 13w7 would prob be overkill, as ou would have to listen to the sub with the gain turned way down a lot of the time unless you were showing it off. My 10w7 causes rattling already in the hatch/license plate.

As far as the haters of JL, thats what they are, haters. Yes there may be cheaper/better/nicer subs in people's opinion, however, I dont care what anybody say......JL IS THE STANDARD for the mass market and they are top notch subs. But that is the beauty of being a consumer in a free market economy, you can chose whatever you want. That being said, I love my w7 and will probably downgrade to a w3 or w6 in order to fit into a zenclosures box and reduce some weight.

bigaudiofanat · 02-16-2010, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan

I hear you, price to performance, but does that make the Z better than porsche?

I will leave it alone, I know you are not a big fan of JL, even thought they are a great company.

Ya do not get me wrong they are a good company and I have used and installed there stuff before.

02-15-2010, 09:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
VP1 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 15	Jl 13w7? do you think its a good fit for the Z? and i need experts that worked on Zs b4, what shop you suggest in/around the philly area.

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jmtt90 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: St.Amant, LA Posts: 32 Drives: MB 370z 6mt t/s Rep Power: 15	I would think a 13w7 would be a bit overkill for the z's limited space. Just my opinion though. __________________ 2009 Touring Sport Monterey Blue z34 - 15% tint + berk hfc... for now

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FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	It's fine, I had 3 10w6v2's in my 350 __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

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FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Interesting that the Havoc sub is a carbon copy of the JL w series. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

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FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	I hear you, price to performance, but does that make the Z better than porsche? I will leave it alone, I know you are not a big fan of JL, even thought they are a great company. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

02-16-2010, 09:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
Liquid_G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 1,439 Drives: 09 370z Supercharged Rep Power: 43	haha I had a 13w7 in my 07 Maxima.. that thing is a beast. Paired it with a JL 1000/1 amp and my windshield wipers would bounce across the windshield.. Although it would be awesome, yes it might be a bit overkill. Not even sure how you could fit that in there.

02-16-2010, 10:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
Liquid_G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 1,439 Drives: 09 370z Supercharged Rep Power: 43	that actually got me thinking... found this from a quick google search.. in a 350z How To Install 13w7, Two Amps, Two Xovers, All Behind The Arch Of 350z - Volvospeed Forums

02-16-2010, 10:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
speedoflife Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MS/TX Posts: 268 Drives: '06 Pontiac G.P. Rep Power: 15	Too heavy and pricey. You can get something just a good for a lot cheaper. Check out SSA or Ascendant Audio or Fi. One of the least known, yet best, subwoofer brands out there: https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript Ascendant Audio is a dealership-based only subcompany of Fi. Their Havoc series subs are top notch for your application: Ascendantaudio.com

02-16-2010, 12:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
speedfreak28 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: south jersey Posts: 247 Drives: 05 ram, 79 z28 Rep Power: 15	The 13W7 Is a great sub, overpriced sure. The AA havoc is a great sub as well. OP, what are you goals? to jsut get loud? SQ? or both? Check out the SSA xcon. Its a great sounding sub that can get crazy loud. http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/s...7B47%7DD2.html Last edited by speedfreak28; 02-16-2010 at 12:53 PM.

02-16-2010, 02:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
ddvette9 Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 823 Drives: 2013 Scion FRS Rep Power: 16	VP1, check my signature and you will se I am running a 10w7 powered ONLY by 250x1 rms. This sub is supposed to have 400-500 rms to perform well and with my setup it gives me a headache. I have to turn the bass down to -3 or 0 a lot with most of my music, and again thats running the sub at half of its capabilities. I listen to hip hop and trance, so I listen to some very deep music. My 10w7 straight blows people away, no questios asked. a 13w7 would prob be overkill, as ou would have to listen to the sub with the gain turned way down a lot of the time unless you were showing it off. My 10w7 causes rattling already in the hatch/license plate. As far as the haters of JL, thats what they are, haters. Yes there may be cheaper/better/nicer subs in people's opinion, however, I dont care what anybody say......JL IS THE STANDARD for the mass market and they are top notch subs. But that is the beauty of being a consumer in a free market economy, you can chose whatever you want. That being said, I love my w7 and will probably downgrade to a w3 or w6 in order to fit into a zenclosures box and reduce some weight.

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