Sub Location

bigaudiofanat · 01-04-2010, 08:10 PM

I agree your not going to gain much with 6 inch woofers. They are not considered a sub they are two different things.

Sigur · 01-04-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

I just did some rough calculations with my measurements and you're looking at about 1.18 cubic feet of space in that hole not including the space a sub would occupy. If you went with the subs Sigur spoke of they would each occupy .15 cubic feet of space in the box. That puts you at .9 cubic feet of usable space. Each sub requires at least .18 cubic feet in a sealed enclosure which is pretty darn good.

In other words you could theoretically place two 6w3v3's in this area and it could work properly, but how much bass are you really gaining?

I haven't actually heard the 6w3v3's so I can't comment on how good they would sound. I think its pretty safe to say it would be a hell of a lot better than nothing or the factory bose though. They just seemed like the best option for that space when I was brainstorming ideas. They would fit flush with plenty of space fore the required volume of box like you say. There would be plenty of room left on either side for a smallish amp. I still haven't decided what I want to do. I don't like the look of the zenclosure box sitting back there. I'm sure it sounds great, but it just looks a little tacky like something I would of had in highschool. The JL stealthbox looks a lot nicer to me appearance wise, but its not really stealth.

CBRich · 01-04-2010, 09:12 PM

I agree that they are a good idea volume wise and they would certainly blow away the stock systems in our cars. Barring disrupting your spare tire access this could be the best "stealth" option. I will look again tomorrow at the actual dimensions of the subs and see if they really would fit as my trunk is still in multiple pieces.

postrin · 01-05-2010, 09:25 AM

I think big needs to listen to a pair before he makes judgement. The 6W3 is not a midbass, it is a subwoofer, and firing up in that location would be awesome, they need so little airspace that you could put them just about anywhere.

P

CBRich · 01-05-2010, 01:08 PM

This "mockup" (some adhesive and a weight, LOL) has the actual overall diameter and depth of the JL 6W3v3. It's not a bad fit at all actually. Here's the space:

Sigur · 01-05-2010, 01:56 PM

Yea it would definitely be a nice fit. I'll probably go that route or the JL stealth box that's due out shortly. The little black box mounted at the top of the metal ridge is a sensor for the key, and I'm thinking could be relocated to the back side of the metal ridge.

bigaudiofanat · 01-05-2010, 02:19 PM

Your going to be raped by how much that stealth box is going to cost.

bigaudiofanat · 01-05-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by postrin

I think big needs to listen to a pair before he makes judgement. The 6W3 is not a midbass, it is a subwoofer, and firing up in that location would be awesome, they need so little airspace that you could put them just about anywhere.

P

All your going to add is more mids bass with 6 inch "subs or woofers" They simply can not go low enough to reproduce frequency's a normal sub can. If all your after is more mids bass than upgrade your 6.5 inch woofers in the front and that would save a ton of money.

Sigur · 01-05-2010, 03:06 PM

The Fs on the 6w3 is 42Hz it's not going to go quite as deep as a 12" but to say it's the same thing as a midbase driver that comes with a set of components is a little obsurd.

postrin · 01-05-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

All your going to add is more mids bass with 6 inch "subs or woofers" They simply can not go low enough to reproduce frequency's a normal sub can. If all your after is more mids bass than upgrade your 6.5 inch woofers in the front and that would save a ton of money.

I'm sorry big, but you're just wrong on this statement. These ARE NOT midbass drivers. They are subwoofers, they play down to 30Hz, the surface are of two of these is greater than a single 10" driver with tons more control.

I'm sorry that we keep on disagreeing, but you really shouldn't make a blanket statement like this.......

Paul

bigaudiofanat · 01-05-2010, 03:18 PM

Than install the subs in the doors rather than in the trunk. I am not saying they are going to go as low as a 10 or a 12 and they would probably be comparable to a higher end component set but your not going to get that much bass out of a 6 inch sub. I am not disagreeing with you just arguing why put that much effort into installing 6 inch subs that are not going to go as low as a standard 8 or 10 inch sub nor have as much throw as bigger subs. I use to believe that a smaller sub is going to give you tighter bass and more control. That is just not true anymore I though when I did my setup that I was stuck on a 10 but after getting a 12 inch I was amazed how tight and accurate it was.

postrin · 01-05-2010, 03:24 PM

I'm not going to waste my time answering this. A midbass driver in a component set and a subwoofer are not at all the same. the frequency response of a midbass driver can go up to 10KHz, these go to 300Hz, they are just totally different, you wouldn't put this in a door because it's a subwoofer and prefers a sealed enclosure.

I think you would be completely amazed by the sound of these. 3 of these can easily be mistaken for a 10" woofer...

speedaudio64 · 01-05-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by postrin

I'm sorry big, but you're just wrong on this statement. These ARE NOT midbass drivers. They are subwoofers, they play down to 30Hz, the surface are of two of these is greater than a single 10" driver with tons more control.

I'm sorry that we keep on disagreeing, but you really shouldn't make a blanket statement like this.......

Paul

Sorry man but from what I am reading on the spec page they only go down to 40 not 30hrz. You are part right in that they are not woofers but subs. That fact aside you still have that fact that they are only going to go around 30 hrz lower than a mid woofer. As big is saying if you want to add more mid than the 6 inch will help but if you want some actual low freq like from drubs or something like that your going to want a bigger sub than a 6.

bigaudiofanat · 01-05-2010, 03:35 PM

Look at it another way. In a home theater setup your not going to have a 6 inch sub for bass your going to have a 10 or 12 even the ones for music have a bigger sub than a 6. The martin logans I am getting have a powered built in 6 inch woofer but it is not going to go as low as a normal sub. So i will still get a new sub. just another way to look at it.

Sigur · 01-05-2010, 03:47 PM

The Fs is 42Hz that just means they will start loosing efficiency below that point. It doesn't mean they only play down to that.

Mount them in the doors? Ok this discussion is just getting silly.

01-04-2010, 08:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 852	I agree your not going to gain much with 6 inch woofers. They are not considered a sub they are two different things. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

01-05-2010, 02:19 PM	#22 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 852	Your going to be raped by how much that stealth box is going to cost. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

01-05-2010, 03:18 PM	#26 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 852	Than install the subs in the doors rather than in the trunk. I am not saying they are going to go as low as a 10 or a 12 and they would probably be comparable to a higher end component set but your not going to get that much bass out of a 6 inch sub. I am not disagreeing with you just arguing why put that much effort into installing 6 inch subs that are not going to go as low as a standard 8 or 10 inch sub nor have as much throw as bigger subs. I use to believe that a smaller sub is going to give you tighter bass and more control. That is just not true anymore I though when I did my setup that I was stuck on a 10 but after getting a 12 inch I was amazed how tight and accurate it was. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/ Last edited by bigaudiofanat; 01-05-2010 at 03:20 PM.

01-05-2010, 03:35 PM	#29 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 852	Look at it another way. In a home theater setup your not going to have a 6 inch sub for bass your going to have a 10 or 12 even the ones for music have a bigger sub than a 6. The martin logans I am getting have a powered built in 6 inch woofer but it is not going to go as low as a normal sub. So i will still get a new sub. just another way to look at it. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

01-04-2010, 09:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	I agree that they are a good idea volume wise and they would certainly blow away the stock systems in our cars. Barring disrupting your spare tire access this could be the best "stealth" option. I will look again tomorrow at the actual dimensions of the subs and see if they really would fit as my trunk is still in multiple pieces.

01-05-2010, 09:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
postrin Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 23 Drives: Tacoma Rep Power: 15	I think big needs to listen to a pair before he makes judgement. The 6W3 is not a midbass, it is a subwoofer, and firing up in that location would be awesome, they need so little airspace that you could put them just about anywhere. P

01-05-2010, 01:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	This "mockup" (some adhesive and a weight, LOL) has the actual overall diameter and depth of the JL 6W3v3. It's not a bad fit at all actually. Here's the space:

01-05-2010, 01:56 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sigur Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 92 Drives: 09 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 15	Yea it would definitely be a nice fit. I'll probably go that route or the JL stealth box that's due out shortly. The little black box mounted at the top of the metal ridge is a sensor for the key, and I'm thinking could be relocated to the back side of the metal ridge.

01-05-2010, 03:06 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sigur Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 92 Drives: 09 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 15	The Fs on the 6w3 is 42Hz it's not going to go quite as deep as a 12" but to say it's the same thing as a midbase driver that comes with a set of components is a little obsurd.

01-05-2010, 03:24 PM	#27 (permalink)
postrin Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 23 Drives: Tacoma Rep Power: 15	I'm not going to waste my time answering this. A midbass driver in a component set and a subwoofer are not at all the same. the frequency response of a midbass driver can go up to 10KHz, these go to 300Hz, they are just totally different, you wouldn't put this in a door because it's a subwoofer and prefers a sealed enclosure. I think you would be completely amazed by the sound of these. 3 of these can easily be mistaken for a 10" woofer...

01-05-2010, 03:47 PM	#30 (permalink)
Sigur Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 92 Drives: 09 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 15	The Fs is 42Hz that just means they will start loosing efficiency below that point. It doesn't mean they only play down to that. Mount them in the doors? Ok this discussion is just getting silly.