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Originally Posted by RCZ
Its the commute + rear toe that I think is killing your tires. 60 miles at highway speeds every day does a number on an aggressive setup like yours. I would set to 0 and ease up on the camber. Also...I would have more negative camber in the front that in the rear...
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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks
I agree, zero out the toe will help the wear rate. Back the rear camber down to 1.4 given the number of commuting miles you do.
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Originally Posted by travisjb
going to agree with a couple posters... neutral toe, less aggressive camber... maybe -0.8 / -0.2 front/rear... plus or minus a couple tenths you won't know the diff... you'll feel a bigger difference on toe - even an eighth... typical alignment shop is going to want to go with factory spec... give neutral toe a try and see what you think... might "dart" around too much for you, if so have them dial in front an eighth
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I got new rear tires installed today along with a 4 wheel alignment. I use this shop because they've been very good at meeting my needs in the past and they treat me well. They also know my name and call me by it when I walk in the door which doesn't happen too much anymore (cue theme to "cheers"). But they mostly work on pickup trucks (Utah has a lot of trucks/SUVs), family sedans and minivans. The shop guys have some cool rides, and seem to appreciate mine and treat it well, but it's definitely not a speed shop. So what I'm getting at is that the alignment guy (who was way busy today but asked me to come back right before close and ended up staying a little late to get my car done) pretty much went back to insisting that we keep toe and camber "in spec" even though a couple days ago we talked about backing out some of the camber and making a change to the toe. He made it clear again today he doesn't want to go against what the computer is telling him. He even said that he couldn't dial back the camber because toe is "maxed out" which is rediculous because I installed the toe bolts along with the camber arms and there should be PLENTY of toe adjustibility. I have a good rapport with this shop (for expample the tires I got today were already "on sale" and they still dropped them another $30 for me) and I don't want to damage that rapport so I asked the alignment guy to just do what he was comfortable with. Here's what I got:
Before
-1.4 front camber
-0.16 front toe
out (the springs definitely settled some more in the last 2.5k miles since the last alignment, throwing the toe out. the springs now have a total of 3k mi. on them so hopefully they're done settling)
-1.8 rear camber
0.21 rear toe in
After
-1.4 front camber (no change)
.08 front toe in
-1.7 rear camber (so much for taking out some rear camber)
0.16 rear toe in
Bottom line on this story is I need to find a speed shop to get my next alightment done if I want anything different than factory spec, which is cool. I just like these guys and giving them my business when I can. I'll keep buying tires here but will go elsewhere for alignments. He only charged me for a 2 wheel alignment, $54, even though he did all four. Again, they're good to me. I'd like to try out some of suggestions with camber and toe above. Just need to find the right shop around here to do it.
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Originally Posted by travisjb
having such a big treadware rating difference front and rear is going to be noticeable... depending on how aggressive you drive, be prepared for oversteer if/when you drive at the limit
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I'm actually back to a matched set as of today. Been running the Toyo's up front for 3k miles and now have the same tire on the rear. A couple final notes:
- The alignment feels great on the road. Tracks straight, corners great
- The new rear tires (Toyo T1-R in 295/35-18) are soooo much quieter than the bald yoko's they replaced, though that's normal for bald tires to be so loud
- I'll keep an eye on these tires and will get the next alignment done sooner or later depending on what I see
- I'm going to lower the pressure in the rear by a couple of pounds and replace the air in the tires with nitrogen as suggested above.
Thanks again for the help guys. +1Rep to you all