TPMS Recalibration issue
 

Ok, I searched, but could not find anything - actually a Kazillion TPMS posts but none with this specific issue:

I recently purchased a set of OEM wheels (19" Rays) with OEM tires (Bridgestone Potenzas) from one of the Forum Members. They are in mint condition with hardly any tread wear at all - I was told he had 3500 miles on them, and they look it. Real nice, clean, no issues... except once I put them on my Z and took it to the Dealer to Calibrate the TPMS, the handheld computer they were using to recalibrate them kept coming back with "Incorrect TPMS". The original owner's Z is a 2012 6MT Coupe, and mine is a 2011 6MT Coupe. The dealer is going to look into it some more and get back with me, but in the meantime, thought I'd check with the GURU's on the site. I also e-mailed the original owner to see if any work had been done to the TPMS - which I doubt - the wheels and Tires look untouched, but asked just to cover all bases.

I can understand maybe one sensor failing or such, but all four being the "Incorrect TPMS" is kinda strange. I am thinking it's a procedural error on the Dealer's part - not doing something correct with the handheld computer they were using. But...

Anyone with any ideas?

You need the correct TPMS sensors...

Did you put YOUR TPMS sensors on it?

No. I put the Stock Wheels as they are from the other Z on my Z. Why would they be the "wrong" TPMS sensors if they are stock (Nissan) TPMS sensors on Stock Z wheels?

They make different models and aren't interchangeable year to year, or 6 months to 6 months... Either because they are bastards and want to make more money somehow or they're just bastards

Put YOUR TPMS sensors on and you should be good to go

Nice... so what your saying is, I have to break the tires off the rim, change out the TPMS sensors, then remount the tires on the wheels... (which also means I'd have to re-balance... I know, I know, I don't have to, but I am very a n a l, but not to change the subject...). I mean, WTF...

..oh by the way, I'd have to break the tires off the rim on TWO sets of tires, mine, and the new ones to be able to swap TPMS sensors... WTF-Squared!

Yes... Sorry


You don't actually have to take the tires OFF all the way, just unmount it a bit... Then you can get to the TPMS sensors...

If you don't f with the tire much, you may be able to get away without a rebalance...


If you're going through that trouble... Get the TPMS rebuild kit, new battery, valve stem and O-ring I think


Make sure they don't take you to the cleaners on that... Dealer price is like $15, COSTCO CHARGES $4/EACH

Appreciate the input... I might just run with the TPMS light on rather than go thru all that hassle until I need new tires, then perform all necessary mods to the TPMS... :icon14:

Here's an additional fact I just thought of...

It was the Dealer's handheld computer that kept stating Wrong TPMS sensor... not necessarily that my Z would not accept the new TPMS sensors... He would put the computer at the TPMS sensor on any of the four tires, press to read the sensor, and it would ring back the "Incorrect TPMS" code. On the handheld computer, there was only one option for the 370Z and it read "370Z 2009+". So, there weren't any difference in model years to choose from on the Dealers computer....

Something's fishy in Denmark....

Not true. The TPMS sensors are registered with the BCM (body control module) for every car. That way you do not pick-up sensor signals from other vehicles driving near you and why your car does not recognize the new sensors. I am surprised the dealer did not know this. The dealer should just be able to reflash the BCM and have it register the new TPMS signals. There is no need to remount tires, etc. They have to do this whenever a sensor goes bad or you replace a sensor for whatever reason.

I would either ask the dealer again or find another dealer.

There's gotta be a reason why people selling and buying are anal and lets say the '09s don't work with the '10s

And if we believe it will work across years...
Go to Costco or something and see if they can reprogram them for free

That's what I am thinking... He was doing the recalibration on the sensors wrong somehow. He's supposed to check and let me know. I'll keep everyone posted with what happens.

Thanks for the input.... :tiphat:

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If you're not in a hurry, I am getting a full setup (tires/wheels/new tpms) installed monday (keeping the stockers for any unforseen problems....flats, rim damage, maybe track specific rubber). Tire guy explained the process to me but it was vague. Says he's one of the few in north Tamps with the CORRECT programmer. I'll ask as many questions as I can and will get back to you.

10-4... sounds like a plan. Thanks!

I feel your pain Paul.

2012 TPMS should work on a 2011 Z. Nissan changed the sensor mid-2010, so when I got my Nismo rims off of a 2009 Z, the TPMS did not register. I had to purchase a set off the forum.

Good luck! :tup:

Good to know... :tiphat:

I'm about to do the same thing. I have an 09 and looking to get a set of the new rays sport wheels on 2013's from a forum member wondering if ill have same issue. I hope not or ill have to get real used to seeing that light bc I'm not going to go through the trouble of breaking down 2 sets of wheels to put my sensors in haha.

Bingo..?
 

After reading all the responses from the forum members and doing some research this morning, I came up with the following:

It appears that the sensors are different between Model years, but the exact break is a little ambiguous. CourtesyParts.com references two different wheel sets between model month/years 2009-Sep 2010, and another after Sept 2010, but lists TPMS for only the 2009+ model. So, I researched some more and came across CARID.com which lists two different TPMS sensors for the 370Z as follows:

2011-2012: Brand: ORO-TEK Part Number: OPA-LA0A
2009: Brand: ORO-TEK Part Number: OTI-003


Since the part numbers are different for different model years, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this pertaining to my situation:
It seems the dealer I went to has the programming required for the previous TPM Sensors, but not the later TPM sensors, hence, the reason his handheld computer could not read the later 2012 TPM sensor codes. IF that is the case, and I strongly believe it is, then all that is required for us to do when swapping wheels with TPMS already mounted in them, is to ensure that the dealer/shop has the correct programming when we need to recalibrate/reprogram/pair up the new sensors to the vehicle.


I'll be talking to the Dealer again on Monday to see about all this - it may be as simple as him updating the program on his handheld computer. I'll keep everyone posted further as I get additional info.
:tiphat:

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Thank you, thank you (taking a bow)



I told you there WAS in fact a difference... Sorry again brother, but you'll have to use your old TPMS sensors

negative - I need to find a dealer with the later program on his handheld so he can read the codes and pair them up to my Z. if you recall, both wheel sets have the later TPM Sensors. I would hazard a good guess that this can also be done for wheels from previous model years to later and vice versa - all that is needed is the correct program to read the sensor...

Lol, I didn't pay attention to the years you mentioned. And I thought they were at least 2 revisions in

I know for 2013 models Nissan has that new beeping thing when the tires are at the right PSI, so I'd assume another revision that probably is more high tech and probably can't be recognized by the car

Nope - again DE, you're missing the point. The Sensor emits a Ultra High Frequency (UHF) that needs to be read by the handheld computer. If the program on the handheld does not have the correct protocol to talk to the sensor to read its UHF, then it will come up with the "Incorrect Sensor" error, and the pairing cannot be done. It is not that my Z is not accepting the sensors - we never even got to that part at all - it is the dealer's handheld that is not able to communicate with the sensors to download the UHF codes because it does not have the latest version software (I believe).

I did this on my 2010 and worked great my sensors were brand new from Nissan not programmed by them at all.

http://www.the370z.com/wheels-tires/...self-free.html

Welllllllll... Keep us posted, I'm just going off the info I know to be true. And only ASSuming about the '13 part

DE, I think its actually only the sensor on the vehicle itself that has changed to allow it for the beep and the warning. We had a 2013 come in for a flat-repair and the sensor looked the same as my sensors. (used the same tpms rebuild kit.) But like he said, drop by Costco and see if they can reset for you. Our handheld scanners at Costco read the 2013 sensors just fine. As our scanners, it shows information as 2009+ 370z. There is no seperate option for the 2 different sensor years as is. If not, the error is in the sensor not the car itself. Probably a dead battery. They only last 3-5 years. New sensors in the new cars are claimed to only lasting 1-3 years since the car companies arent making enough on them.

The Wheels just came off a 2012, and all four batteries can't be dead at the same time. The odds are pretty astronomical.

Had the same issue, the dealer calibration tool can pick up the "ID'S" of the new tpms sensors and then upload said id's into your ecu so your car can register them, not sure why your dealership is having trouble with this.

batteries are good for 7-15 years (depending on climate etc etc)

off a'12 then yes not likely.
Redglare- we got an article for the tire shop that said car companies will be having the battieries fail sooner as they are not making any profit on the sensors themselves. The sensors battieries are not replaceable so thr whole sensor has to be replaced. Thats the reason we are now stocking up on multiple sensors for many makes and models at Costco. Call me a liar if you want and ill be glad to upload the article but we'll just see what happens.

He's not a liar

That's actually believable, I'd love to read the article though, it's ridiculous that they would make them last less...
That would be ridiculous if you had to replace sensors with every tire change.... I hope the car manufacturers will step in and develop in-house sensors that will last as long as they do right now.

I can see an aftermarket company developing sensors with longer lasting batteries.

rediculous from our stand point. not so kuch theirs. $100-$200/sensor. 4 per vehicle. a lot more profit as the sensors probably cost them less then $15 to make.

Any updates Paul?

I've kind of lost track of the conversation here, but I still believe that a set of the early TPMS (pre mid-2010 for lack of a better definition) will not work on a 2011 or newer.

I sure hope you can prove me wrong. :tiphat:

My Z is a 2011. The wheels I am using are from a 2012. Same TPM sensor in both sets of wheels -

Had I been using wheels from a 2009 or a pre-Sept 2010 Z, then the TPM Sensors would have been the earlier type.

The Dealer's computer is apparently not capable of reading the newer type sensors for some reason. It is not my Z, and not the TPM Sensors in the 2012 Wheels that are having an issue. It is the handheld computer at the Dealer that is having the issue. It is not reading ANY of the sensors from the 2012 wheels.

... Hope this clarifies the problem...

I check in with the Dealer tomorrow for an update. Stay tuned.

Still don't understand why you haven't gone by Costco......

Thanks! :tup:

Are you going to Eddie Tourelle Nissan on 190?

There is no Costco where Paul lives.

Yep - bought all three of my Nissans there ('05 Titan, '08 Altima and my baby) and I do all my services there, so they tend to do a lot of stuff "complimentary" for me. So, I am more inclined to give them as much leeway as I can.

I did research COSTCO and they do have one apparently downtown New Orleans - but I'd rather drive with my TPMS light on than go there...!

I will be down in Slidell on Saturday for the Z Club Meeting - if things are still hanging with Eddie Tourelle, I'll pass by the Nissan Dealership there see if they can do any better.

Go to post 23 read it and do it so you don't have to fool around waiting for the dealer and spend better time posting in a differant section of the forum,

Resolution!
 

The dealership's computer was finally updated, and I was called to bring my Z in. They had apparently upgraded the software on it and were able to read a 2012 TPMS sensor on a Z they had on the lot.

Sure enough, it took about 5 minutes to read all four sensors and download them into the Car's Computer. The car accepted the sensors and my TPMS light is now gone from my Dash...

Happy Days are here again...!:happydance:

Ok, so if you have two sets of rims/tires (one for the track & one for DD) Is it possiable have both sets calibrated the same or do U have to calibrate each set as U use them? I have purchased a set of 13s Nismo rims (no tires yet) as an extra set for Tracking and need a set of TPMs