in for longer studs if phunk doesn't need them. :p

These are the ones that come with extended studs right? Rather than the type that use a second set of studs and lugs? If so, I'll take them and I already have ARP extended wheel studs so i don't need the new ones. I was gonna make my own spacers from scratch, but I can save time just using those and machining out the centers and making some steel hub ring inserts. What's your paypal address

sounds interesting! :tup: there will need to be a step inside to accomondate the stock hub for stability... you can do this at your shop? if so you should consider selling steel centering rings for Kics and Ichiba's. :)

Yeah, they are the DRS model. - for Paypal. I probably won't be able to ship them out until next Monday due to work and preparing for a track weekend.

And for H&R, :rofl2:, :mad:.

I'll get back to you on a shipped price this afternoon.

cool. this is the type you have right? do you have 15mm or 20mm?

Im looking for 15mm so that i can use my loose 5mm, 10mm, and 15mm spacers. :p If 20mm or 25mm i can't use.

http://www.optionimports.com/mmCAREX...DRS_medium.jpg

Yep, that's the one, the studs are for the 15MM spacer.

:tup:

How does $20 shipped sound? They cost $4 each directly from H&R, plus shipping.

sounds good! i'll send you paypal tonight. :tup:

Cool, thanks guys!

payment sent... the sooner the better but i can wait till next week. gotta install osgiken clutch this weekend, i was gonna swap in the extended studs at the same time.

thanks

I sent mine as well about an hr ago. :)

Thanks guys. I'll do my best to try to get them shipped out this week. I might be able to squeeze it in tomorrow, depending on how work goes. I'll send you guys PM's to let you know.

Sounds good :tup:

as for making rings for other spacer brands... that may be an option. id like to see how my set comes out first before making any promises. it is a simple enough part but i am not sure if there is enough dollar in it to make it worth the management.

besides, im not sure i have the proper lab equipment in-house to perform a spectro-analysis. :)

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Packing up your packages now. I'll have them out sometime tomorrow.

Hey thanks! :D

awesome thanks man

Shipped. I'll PM you guys the delivery confirmation numbers. You should both get your packages by Saturday.

Well, I guess I have my answer as to what happened to the spacers that I bought. But mine have such a clean break that I swore they had been machined off.

On a side note, I have since bought new spacers so I also have a set of 15mm studs and a set of spacers with no ring if anyone wants them.

thanks! :tup:

it probably sheared off and someone just filed the rest of it smooth.

see some pics

If you're talking about mine, I posted some a few pages back.

i talked with and showed a coworker who is a structural engineer here both pictures of a new spacer and the broken posted by the OP. here are his quick findings::

1. its easy to shout out material defect since these are light weight aluminum alloy mixed materials. just a tad bit of iron oxide in the mix and failures on such a high toleranced part is bound to happen.

2. and this one is the most interesting one to me. there is a rather large relief cut right before the thin ring. that lets the rim sit squarely on the spacer. he mentioned if you were to get a small scratch or nick along that edge right around the relief area, it wouldnt take long for a small crack to form and for it to migrate completley around the hub as the wheel spun. causing a clean quick "snapping off" look that he saw in the pic posted. he said its very important that the wheel face and the spacer be free of any type of debree, and that it wouldnt take anything large to start that scatch that led to the failure. dirt/rock, metal shaving from the shops floor, ect....

too many variables to throw in but thats my version of stirring up this mess...:)

fuct- cool info! :tup:

Interesting, thanks for having your friend take a look fuct. I'll be sure to clean the spacers and wheel center whenever I take off those wheels.

no prob! yea i think the instructions even mention something about the area being extremely clean and whatnot..... ill have to check.

flashburn- got my studs today, thanks again! :tup:

got the spacers today too. funny cause i was at the shop putting the ARP studs in, then i got home to see the spacers were here... damnit!! wheels coming back off again tomorrow to test the thickness and make some measurements for my inserts.

Does Kics make stud replacement versions? I'd want 15 and 20mm sets to just place over my extended HR studs if an HR broke. I guess I could do that with the Ichibas but the name keeps reminding me of beer.

Spearfish- I don't think Kics makes stud replacement versions. "Ichiba" reminds me of farmer's market. :D not sure why the chinese puts japanese names on their parts..I do but.. Should call theirs ochinchin...o wait that's still japanese. :D ;)

Any chance you guys who experienced broken spacers might have removed/loosened your lugs before jacking up the car?

Today I was swapping brake pads and was loosening the fifth lug on my rear wheel when I realized the car wasn't jacked up yet. I started to see the car settle lower and about had a heart attack when I realized the weight of the car would be sitting on the spacer lip. Fortunately I caught it in time and jacked the car up before fully removing the last lug. I could definitely see this sheering off the spacer lip though.

I break the torque seal on the lug with the car partially jacked but the wheel touching the ground. The wheel is still on there good and tight and then I lift it the rest of the way and use a cordless (or air) impact wrench from that point.

Both of my failures were on front wheels, which I think is no coincidence. Both failures were after track/auto-x sessions. The 15mm is the weak design, if you have the 20mm I think it would be ok, but I'm not using spacers on the track ever again.

first off i always break my lugs loose while the car is on the ground. this is so i dont accidentally move the car while it's on jacks using my long-handle rachet. i dont loosen the lugs much, just enough to break it loose. :)

the purpose of the lip is to support the weight of the car. that is the hub-centric design. it shouldn't break off if constructed correctly.

I disagree. The spacers are aluminum which is much too soft to support the car's weight. The lip is designed to align the spacers and wheels. Once you tighten the lugs down, the spacer lips probably experience no force at all.

With the privilege of an impact wrench, I don't loosen my lugs until the car is in the air now.

ahh so you see, while they appear hubcentric by design they are not functionally hubcentric at all. it's only used to aid centering the wheel during installation... like how lug-centric wheels come with plastic centering rings. you dont put the vehicle weight on the plastic rings.

if that's the case it's buyer error. you bought the wrong parts for your application. I suggest you remove them for safety and get proper hardware that support the weight of the car as it should for those hub-centric wheels. :)