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tru_Asiatik 04-28-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 64723)
That McGard part shouldn't really be used as it doesn't have the washer nor a tapered end.

it did come with washers same one semtex has on his pic
does it matter if the ends are tapered????
http://www.the370z.com/attachments/w...s-p1000622.jpg

ChrisSlicks 04-28-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik (Post 64730)
it did come with washers same one semtex has on his pic
does it matter if the ends are tapered????

The taper helps to center the stud (not wheel). Probably not a huge deal when you have 4 other lugs already doing this, but it would have been better to get the ones from courtesy nissan.

tru_Asiatik 04-28-2009 10:33 PM

^^well im heading out to their dealership(im local) next week so ill go check it out
i just didnt want to spend another $40-$50 dollars for another set if the mcgards would work ok i ordered them befor the nissan ones came out
but thanks for the heads up

semtex 04-29-2009 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 64762)
The taper helps to center the wheel. Probably not a huge deal when you have 4 other lugs already doing this, but it would have been better to get the ones from courtesy nissan.

I disagree. The taper makes zero contact with the wheel -- you can see this if you just take off one of your stock lugs and look closely at where the marks/scratches are. The taper is completely irrelevant. What centers the wheel is the hub, not the lug nuts. Hence the term 'hub-centric', as in hub-centric wheel spacers, for example. Think about it. Mount your wheel, but before putting any lug nuts on, if you move the wheel side to side, do the walls of the holes bang into the studs? No, they don't, because they're already centered.

I do agree that it's better to get the ones from Courtesy, now that they're finally available (I got my McGards before the 'real' ones were available). If you've already got the McGards, however, I see no reason to waste your money on ordering another set from Courtesy. I've had mine on for 4 months now without any problem whatsoever.

ChrisSlicks 04-29-2009 08:38 AM

There are two sized holes in the wheel for each stud and the taper can touch the smaller of these holes, although with the washer style nuts it will probably never touch as the washer will make contact with the flat area first. Even with hub-centric wheels there can be a small amount of rotational play on the studs, on ours it is extremely minimal if non-existent. Hub-centric means that the wheel self centers over the hub (i.e. tight fitting hub) rather than being centered by the lugs. I wasn't suggesting that this was a lug-centered setup but rather that the taper could help to center the hole opening on the stud to stop it from crushing the threads with rotational movement. The McGards at least are the correct length and have the washer area so they are 10x better than what most of us received on our car.

semtex 04-29-2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 64932)
There are two sized holes in the wheel for each stud and the taper can touch the smaller of these holes, although with the washer style nuts it will probably never touch as the washer will make contact with the flat area first. Even with hub-centric wheels there can be a small amount of rotational play on the studs, on ours it is extremely minimal if non-existent. Hub-centric means that the wheel self centers over the hub (i.e. tight fitting hub) rather than being centered by the lugs. I wasn't suggesting that this was a lug-centered setup but rather that the taper could help to center the hole opening on the stud to stop it from crushing the threads with rotational movement. The McGards at least are the correct length and have the washer area so they are 10x better than what most of us received on our car.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

ChrisSlicks 04-29-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 64942)
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

I re-read my original post and I did definitely mis-speak, (mis-type?). It was late and I was tired :icon14:

Sorry for getting you wound up and thanks for the edit ;)

tru_Asiatik 04-29-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 64922)
I disagree. The taper makes zero contact with the wheel -- you can see this if you just take off one of your stock lugs and look closely at where the marks/scratches are. The taper is completely irrelevant. What centers the wheel is the hub, not the lug nuts. Hence the term 'hub-centric', as in hub-centric wheel spacers, for example. Think about it. Mount your wheel, but before putting any lug nuts on, if you move the wheel side to side, do the walls of the holes bang into the studs? No, they don't, because they're already centered.

I do agree that it's better to get the ones from Courtesy, now that they're finally available (I got my McGards before the 'real' ones were available). If you've already got the McGards, however, I see no reason to waste your money on ordering another set from Courtesy. I've had mine on for 4 months now without any problem whatsoever.

and thank you for the reassurance:happydance:

domukin 05-21-2009 02:09 PM

Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier.

Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

wstar 05-21-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by domukin (Post 76090)
Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier.

Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

I would avoid driving on them. You're basically driving on 4 lugs per wheel until you get the right lugs/locks on there. You could end up breaking a wheel stud, or worse. I wouldn't trust it. If you have to drive it that way, keep the speeds and cornering forces low.

SoCal 370Z 05-21-2009 02:12 PM

^^^ +1 Don't be driving it.

ChrisSlicks 05-21-2009 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by domukin (Post 76090)
Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier.

Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

See if you can get a set of regular nuts to replace the lock nuts temporarily (and don't park anywhere sketchy). You'll be more likely to find them at an Infiniti dealer, but the local Nissan dealer can locate the nearest one with stock and provide you with the correct part number. The nuts are the same as the 09 G37S which has been out for longer.

domukin 05-21-2009 05:43 PM

Well, I'll be waiting a couple of days till they get the new wheel locks. They couldn't find replacement lugnuts, even from infiniti. I figured I shouldn't be driving it like this. Interestingly the dealer did t think it was a big deal, gulp...

domukin 05-23-2009 01:19 PM

Dealer finally got the JT000's (package said it was for an infiniti G35 i believe- just like the previous pictures posted) and installed them. Clicking sound is gone :) I am happy none of them broke.

WShade 05-23-2009 09:29 PM

I took delivery this morning and the same deal, wrong locks. So the salesman and I went back to the service department with the proper part number and ordered the correct ones.


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