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OtaconZ 06-10-2010 09:51 AM

I have the black dots too. It's just the nature of the game with these wheels, I've only ever used eagle 1 wheel and tire cleaner.

mannyz 06-19-2010 01:44 PM

Well guys I finally got my BumbleZ back. It took 2 weeks to work on the wheels. I have to admit that the wheels look cleaner and this time since it was painted by a professional instead of a mass production pain they look amazing and is the whole wheel. Not just the front like the factories. Meaning the interior of the wheel got also painted.

I hope they last longer than the original. I have faith that this job was well done, but only time will tell.

The color I noticed is not the same, is a a darker grey but the Rep told me it may happened, because they cant match the Nissan color, which is ok with me, now I have an excuse to pain the handles to a darker gray color.

Here is a pic:

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL WHEEL
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085737.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085451.jpg

THIS IS THE AFTER POWDER COATING
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...6-19102912.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...6-19102921.jpg

mannyz 06-19-2010 01:45 PM

Thanks for everyones opinion and support. Im a happy camper for now. Until another battle with Nissan's Warranty :)

SkyDancer 06-19-2010 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 540724)
does your detailer place use those wheel cleaner balls you put on a drill or powered screw driver? if so, those can cause such problems. it appears they polished (ununtentionally) too much.

Wheel cleaner balls are a complete waste of money as they just cannot reach the various knooks and grannies that comprise different styles of wheels without having to put excessive pressure onto the ball to make it get into those spaces with the polish.

IMO wheel polish is a waste as well and really only makes a difference on chromed wheels.

I just wash my wheels using Stoner Window Spray (aerosal) and it cleans and shines them at the same time. And they look as good as new!

mannyz 06-19-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDancer (Post 584756)
Wheel cleaner balls are a complete waste of money as they just cannot reach the various knooks and grannies that comprise different styles of wheels without having to put excessive pressure onto the ball to make it get into those spaces with the polish.

IMO wheel polish is a waste as well and really only makes a difference on chromed wheels.

I just wash my wheels using Stoner Window Spray (aerosal) and it cleans and shines them at the same time. And they look as good as new!

Window Spray o_O

kfscoll 06-20-2010 11:27 AM

I just wipe my wheels down with Blackfire Deep Gloss Spray Sealant (same stuff I use to detail the rest of the paint) and it shines the wheels while keeping them nice and slick. These wheels are easy to clean and don't need cleaner balls or harsh chemicals. Just a nice microfiber towel and about 2 minutes per wheel and you're good to go.

SkyDancer 06-20-2010 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mannyz (Post 584924)
Window Spray o_O

Stoner's Invisible Glass Aerosal Spray

NewfndLife 07-19-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mannyz (Post 540262)
Well guys I did a search here in the forum, searching for other drivers with the same situation I have but it seems that almost everyone changed their wheels.

Here is my situation, 2 to 3 months ago I was at my detailer shop where they wash all my cars for 7 years. And they noticed some black spots on my wheels. One of the (only the driver side) is the worst, the other ones has the same pattern paint problem. The look like if the silver coating is wearing out, not even peeling or bubling, just wearing out leaving the black primer or first coating Nissan used to paint the wheels. Most noticeable parts are inside the hard sections of the wheels.

Well I took it to the dealer and they took pictures, send it to Nissan and Nissan said that is not cover under warranty because they are sure is a strong chemical I used that messed up the wheels. Weird to say I received the letter from Nissan and it only says:

"Nissan carefully considered your request during a review of all the available facts pertaining to your specific situation. It is our understanding that the need for repairs to your wheels was not due to a defect in materials or workmanship, therefore the repairs are not covered under the terms of your new vehicle warranty."

But when I called them they said is a chemical I used.

These are my arguments:
1. I always take the car to the same Detailer Shop, they use car products that are designed to not damage the car. They have take care of me for 7 years and never had this problem not even with my previous cars.
2. I owned the Z for a year now, and since they one my detailer people are the ones taking care of it. This problem started 2 to 3 months ago. I will considered that if they mistakly used a wrong product it should have noticed way sooner.
3. The coating problem on all 4 wheels is inside the hard to reach sections, the coating, the shining, the texture of the whole rim is not affected, if a strong chemical did that to certain areas it should have damage the face of the wheel which always recevie most of the product you use to clean them.
4. The center cap on the wheel is chrome plastic, and they are all four in great conditions as well, so the strong chemical damage the rim but not the center cap? Same with the Calipers, they are intact, no discoloration, of pealing, not coating damage, I have never take the wheels of the car, so the suppose "strong chemical" has been use on the whole wheel and not just certain areas.
5. I went to a dealer and found 2 cars, with completly different wheels with the coating problems, exactly on the hard to reach areas.


Still I will like your opinion guys:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085800.jpg
Look at the end of that leg and inside the triangle.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085753.jpg
Do you see that black shadow line?

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085737.jpg
Just showing that the condition of the wheel is still good.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085641.jpg
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13085435.jpg
Look inside the triangle, that black spray condition

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/q...5-13093828.jpg
This is the one at the dealers, dont know if you can see the black line in the border of the leg. I mean the whole edge. Some of the rims for this same car dont have that black edge.

Sorry for the bunch of pictures. I know is difficult to see as well. I also have a lot of people that are telling I am too picky, and maybe some of you will think the same. I do respect your opinion if thats what you will post, but please understand my point that I am planning to keep this car for as long as I can and this is not a $5,000 car, even if it is, I will be picky too :D

Sorry for the long post. I need to go to different dealers to find cars with the same wheel to see if they are showing the same problem.


I believe you and I have the same problem, I noticed some spots on the rims for the drivers side that looked like splashed black paint, at first I thought it was tar so I used bug/tar remover and nothing....then I used a small portion of metal polish made for rims and it actually made it worse, good thing I only tried it on a small section.....so now I'm stuck trying to find a place that will repair this and I agree with you our 370z's are not $5,000 cars so its OK to be picky....check out the pic, this is after I used the metal polish...

mannyz 07-20-2010 10:09 AM

OMG that is worst than mine. You wont be able to claim that with Nissan like I did. Well the Nissan rep that took my wheels, took them to a friend of his that has a business located in Jacksonville, FL and latetly I received the copy of the bill for the labor and it was around $600 for all 4 wheels, so I think that is a cheap fix if you want to keep yours.

kfscoll 07-20-2010 12:47 PM

The factory wheels have a two-stage paint on them -- it's black under a metallic silver paint -- that's called "ghost chrome." That's what gives the wheel its unique look but that's what also causes the black spots to appear when the wheels are damaged.

DO NOT USE any type of abrasive polish or cleaner on the wheel. The top metallic layer is EXTREMELY thin and extremely easy to polish off (ask me how I know).

If you can convince Nissan to repaint your wheels that's probably your best bet. A professional aftermarket powdercoat would almost certainly be more uniform and more durable than the factory wheel finish.

mannyz 07-20-2010 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kfscoll (Post 635355)
The factory wheels have a two-stage paint on them -- it's black under a metallic silver paint -- that's called "ghost chrome." That's what gives the wheel its unique look but that's what also causes the black spots to appear when the wheels are damaged.

DO NOT USE any type of abrasive polish or cleaner on the wheel. The top metallic layer is EXTREMELY thin and extremely easy to polish off (ask me how I know).

If you can convince Nissan to repaint your wheels that's probably your best bet. A professional aftermarket powdercoat would almost certainly be more uniform and more durable than the factory wheel finish.

And I did both. Convince Nissan and had a professional re-coating :tup:

NewfndLife 07-22-2010 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kfscoll (Post 635355)
The factory wheels have a two-stage paint on them -- it's black under a metallic silver paint -- that's called "ghost chrome." That's what gives the wheel its unique look but that's what also causes the black spots to appear when the wheels are damaged.

DO NOT USE any type of abrasive polish or cleaner on the wheel. The top metallic layer is EXTREMELY thin and extremely easy to polish off (ask me how I know).

If you can convince Nissan to repaint your wheels that's probably your best bet. A professional aftermarket powdercoat would almost certainly be more uniform and more durable than the factory wheel finish.

Yeah I found a mobile wheel repair that is going to come out to my house and actually do the work. I sent them pictures and they identified the problem right away. They are charging $125 per wheel....so I scheduled an oppointment....gosh I love this car but it's starting to be a pain.....and I've only had it for a year...

mannyz 07-22-2010 05:26 PM

Well I have the car for 1 year, and this is the only problem, I dont consider the car been a pain already o_O

RiCharlie 05-23-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa (Post 540281)
One thing I can tell you is that the 350Z where worst, you could not look at them bad. The 370Z Sport Pkg wheels have a little better finish however I have found some blemishes on them, not like you describe.

One of the things is never let your brake dust bake on the rims and wash your rims (soap & water) before you wash the rest of the car.

Last but not least, bring the issue to your service manager. If you don't get a response them got to FB.

Go to FaceBook under Nissan North America, do a friend request and go to the Discussion Thread and open a Topic, your will get a message real fast, believe me.

Also PM me, I have some email addresses that will get you some answers and results if you cannot get your issue resolve at the lower level.

I might need your help.. you mentioned addresses to get the issue resolved..,I used ordinary car soap on mine and the outer coating is pealing off revealing a bright shine underneath.. I am scheduled to see the dealer tomorrow but based on what I am reading this is not good!!

mannyz 05-23-2011 03:07 PM

I was able to fixed going to BBB and filled a complaint. The dealer sent my rims to be coated again.


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