so, elperuano and xwchrisx are you guys saying that if Ecutek proves that they're a better tuning solution than Uprev, you guys will bend over and get your @... tuned?
seriously guys, you're singing the same tune over and over and over.....
Drop the drama, accept that there's something new and give this some time to evolve. They have proven themselves in the GT-R world, offering better features than other solutions, and improving.
I never heard of boost control, launch control, etc from Uprev. They been playing with VVEL ever since they came out and still playing in beta mode.
XwChriswX
06-07-2013 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JARblue
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work getting the way of responding, but I will later...
If you people think I am trying to convince you to jump ship from UpRev, then you're simply not reading my posts. I can't do anything about that. I understand the results are underwhelming at this point and that more is warranted before you do such a thing. But the fact of the matter is you guys are impatient, and it's very clear that you aren't going to be satisfied until there is a lot more data out there...
No worries sir, not trying to impact your work performance. :tiphat:
No, I don't think you're trying to convince anything. :tup: I think you're standing up as a loyal patron who got a really good deal.
I'm completely patient. I'm not rushing anything, I just don't wanna be told something that isn't true, just like anyone else. If you didn't have your tune through them, I would assume you would be just as hesitant to jump on board an unproven software suite. There's nothing wrong with asking for more proven usage and documented improvements. That's something the community as a whole can benefit from.
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Originally Posted by JARblue
(Post 2353119)
Pay someone to do that and you've solved most all the problems in this thread :tiphat:
Well you threw your name into their hat, why didn't you?
Isn't that the point of Marketing as the vendor?
Tune normally runs say $700
Vendor says they'll give you an awesome discount to do it: 50% off
Vendor is essentially paying you $350 to do it. Problem solved. :tup:
XwChriswX
06-07-2013 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by draper
(Post 2353133)
so, elperuano and xwchrisx are you guys saying that if Ecutek proves that they're a better tuning solution than Uprev, you guys will bend over and get your @... tuned?
seriously guys, you're singing the same tune over and over and over.....
Drop the drama, accept that there's something new and give this some time to evolve. They have proven themselves in the GT-R world, offering better features than other solutions, and improving.
I never heard of boost control, launch control, etc from Uprev. They been playing with VVEL ever since they came out and still playing in beta mode.
Umm, actually I think I've said that several times lol If ECUTek proves to be a better solution for tuning, I will happily purchase a license from them? As would anyone else. :icon18:
If asking a vendor to support claims is drama that should be dropped. Then you'll be stuck with inferior products that never reach full potential because there's no push to improve. If you're happy with mediocre then good on you, but I want the best.
I think that alone says the level of your involvement in this discussion. That's all well and good that they have tuned OTHER VEHICLES, but that doesn't say anything about OUR platform. That builds the reputation of the company yes, but is peanuts when you talk about one ECU vs another. If you think the GT-R and the 370Z are the same car with the same concerns then :ugh2:
elperuano
06-07-2013 04:37 PM
I'm not bending over for anything lol. But I damn sure ain't gonna praise someone who's throwing words around and hasn't proved anything yet. I'm not being anyone guinea pig to test this product. I'm pushing almost max hp/tq on my TT set-up. I have no wiggle room to play with to "try" and see if it works. I would never go with anything unproven. Especially at this stage of the game $$$$
Dynotronics1
06-07-2013 06:37 PM
"When can we (as end users) expect to see a FULL release of a completed (Non-Beta version; updates are a given with any SW package so thats a moot point) ECUTek tuning package? "
if your asking about software that is end user editable, I can't answer you. If on the other hand you asking about the software that professional shops use, its already out, and we are using it on customers cars every day.
Dynotronics1
06-07-2013 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by elperuano
(Post 2353019)
What about tuning from a tuner? How many tuners out there do dyno-tuning with ECUtek? I see a lot of e-tunes. Only 1 dyno tune
Should clarify. How many tuners out there do dyno-tuning with ECUtek ON the VQ platform?
We dyno tune every day. And I will gladly tune your car, live, in person, if you bring it around, and are willing to pony up for the dyno time.
Fact is, with the software we use now to log the cars, 95% of all the power your going to get out of a car, can be done with street tuning, and /or remote tuning.
We dial all cars in on drive cycle, then fine tune on the dyno for max output(assuming the customer wants to pay for the dyno time). The ONLY wy to get a well tuned, balanced calibration is with drive cycle tuning
Hotrodz
06-07-2013 08:21 PM
IMHO I really don't see this debate necessarily being about which product is superior to the other, but about how two people assess risk. Both are looking at facts and making assumptions that support their decision on a which product they want to purchase or put their support behind. Many tech companies today sale products based on platform that has a certain suite of capabilities, but then market what the future possibilities will be. For some jumping in quickly with what they know the product is capable of doing and the hope of the other possibilities is enough, but many others need more data and a track record before they bite. Either way works! The beauty of it all is that we all can to listen and learn as long as we can separate ourselves from the emotion. Just my two cents.
JARblue
06-07-2013 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by XwChriswX
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UpRev can do multiple maps too :icon17:
I know... that feature isn't even available yet. I want my valet tune dammit lol - plus it would be nice to be able to put the stock ROM back if I go to the dealership
There has been VVEL work with UpRev as well, and it's been documented on here. :tiphat: So it's nothing new, they may just be farther along.
So they haven't actually Done anything to substantiate their claims of superiority yet. A pre-mature thread with future claims of greatness is one thing, when it is what it is. But they say we're good to go Now. But they aren't. There hasn't been anything reliably proven yet that would make anyone want to get theirs vs uprev, or consider switching.
Who is they? EcuTek or tuners or the Z community? As people have said, EcuTek shouldn't be obligated. The tuners have to do a lot of the work as you explained below (new software, good deal, get results). You're last point is right on... someone is going to have to make the switch and see the results.
I ask because of this fact, and they say/do nothing in response. I know you're not the only person ECUTek tuned, and I'm glad you posted a partial review. That's awesome that they hooked you up. But can you honestly say if you Hadn't got as good of a deal as you did, would you have still chosen ECUTek over UpRev??
Honestly, if I hadn't gotten as good a deal as I did, I would not have gotten a tune at all. And if I were paying full price, I would be waiting with the rest of you guys for comparisons between the two :tiphat:
I'd be plenty satisfied with a date, because that means anytime After that date, I could call a tuner (which I plan to do) and get information on the cost to go from UpRev to ECUTek, and then have my car Fully tuned with the Full software to take Full advantage of Every feature ECUTek boasts about.
But them setting a date and meeting that date doesn't guarantee the existence of an apples to apples comparison between EcuTek and UpRev, which you seem to want (which is totally justified and understandable).
Isn't that the point..??
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Originally Posted by XwChriswX
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You didn't say people who Do VVEL tuning, but you're quick to claim who doesn't. :ugh2:
Fair enough... and while UpRev does VVEL, there no disputing that some tuners think the EcuTek is more advanced than UpRev's
Most of the people "sitting on the sidelines" are those who can't really afford to drop 600 on a tune, to have to drop another couple of hundred on another tune, or getting that tune fixed. There's nothing wrong with being cautious about the Tuning side of modding. That's the area I give the most respect to the tuners and let them work their magic. But I want to know it's the best one out there, as would anyone else, yourself included.
I understand this, of course
People aren't waiting for specific features to come out, they're waiting on the Claims that these features make someone superior to be qualified and quantified. UpRev has been out for the 370Z for going on 4 years, and several hundred Z's have been tuned on it. Both boosted and N/A. How many of those have gone wrong due to errors in the tuning software alone? So, UpRev have established a track record of safe, effective tunes. Good for them.
And that will take time and people willing to test the waters. I don't understand the repeated demands for them when it's obvious that it's going to take time.
ECUTek is coming along and promoting their product (like any good business will do), claiming to be vastly superior to UpRev in every way. OK, cool. Show me how you've reinvented the wheel. You say I wouldn't be pleased even if they showed me their improvements, but you'd be wrong. If they can actually DO everything they say they "will be able to in time" then awesome. I'm all for an ECUTek tune. I'd like to see the improved features as would anyone else, especially the boosted guys.
I never said anything about how pleased you would be :tiphat:
They gave you a good deal, so you support them. Good. You come on here and post your review, and for the small amount of modding you have done, you are pleased. Good. But, where are your dyno runs as well to show the specific gains, and how the ECUTek tune gave you those gains vs if you had gone elsewhere? I did not see them the last time I checked your thread...
Everyone knows with this platform you have to do a lot to pull every last HP out of this motor. So that is why it is being criticized so much, if you want to make big claims about superiority, then you had better expect people to go "yeah, right". That's when you drop all of your research and testing, and proof that you've put in the time and effort and have in fact released a better product. Then everyone will be :eek: and throwing their money at you.
We're still in the drive cycle. We will do dynos when the time comes, and of course, they will be posted. I've only promoted it's potential - I hope that it lives up to the hype because that is good for everyone: the community as well as competition
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Originally Posted by XwChriswX
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No worries sir, not trying to impact your work performance. :tiphat:
:tiphat: just wanted to say I wasn't bailing on the convo... I know you're not
No, I don't think you're trying to convince anything. :tup: I think you're standing up as a loyal patron who got a really good deal.
lol :iagree:
I'm completely patient. I'm not rushing anything, I just don't wanna be told something that isn't true, just like anyone else. If you didn't have your tune through them, I would assume you would be just as hesitant to jump on board an unproven software suite. There's nothing wrong with asking for more proven usage and documented improvements. That's something the community as a whole can benefit from.
Fair enough. You're absolutely right.
Well you threw your name into their hat, why didn't you?
The primary reason I got the tune was because of the cost. What makes you think I'm going to pony up for an UpRev tune as well? :icon17:
Isn't that the point of Marketing as the vendor?
Tune normally runs say $700
Vendor says they'll give you an awesome discount to do it: 50% off
Vendor is essentially paying you $350 to do it. Problem solved. :tup:
Chris, just a few responses. I think we're all on the same page here - just different perspectives. Frankly, I think HotrodZ nailed it pretty good :tiphat:
elperuano
06-07-2013 10:05 PM
Hotrodz nailed it.
Just wanna clarify I will be switching once ECUtek is fully complete and when my tuner is fully confident with it.
