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SurfDog 02-03-2013 11:10 PM

unwanted throttle blip on decelerating
 
I have an uprev tune done at zcargarage in San Jose but am about to re-tune for high altitude driving in Colorado.

two questions (one easy one harder)

1. Do I need to retune from my present settings at warm sea level, to cooler and much altitude higher driving??? (between work at 5,500 feet and my home at 9,000 feet). I feel like the computer will adjust, but really do not know.

I could easily replace the Valet map(#3) or stock map(#2) for a mountain map.

2. I have experienced numerous occurrences of the following: While decelerating in a right fairly aggressive downhill turn (engine braking), about two seconds after the downshift (with and without SRM) I get a little "throttle blip" and lose some of my engine braking. Could this be a VDC function? It is really annoying, and (as I am usually counting on the engine decel) has me hopping on my brakes (which is inelegant and maybe a tiny bit unsafe as it always catches me by surprise):eekdance:

3. (bonus question) Anybody have a good denver area tuner they can recommend?? :confused:

Sh0velMan 02-04-2013 08:20 AM

RE: the engine braking thing. Depends what RPM you're at. The engine does seem to open the throttles a little at low RPM to help keep the engine running at what it seems to think is too low an RPM for the calculated load.

I wouldn't worry about it as long as it isn't happening at 4-5k rpm or something.

Logs would be needed to see what it's doing, at any rate.

Red__Zed 02-04-2013 09:03 AM

I would definitely get a new tune for the altitude.

SurfDog 02-04-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2146660)
RE: the engine braking thing. Depends what RPM you're at. The engine does seem to open the throttles a little at low RPM to help keep the engine running at what it seems to think is too low an RPM for the calculated load.

I wouldn't worry about it as long as it isn't happening at 4-5k rpm or something.

Logs would be needed to see what it's doing, at any rate.

That is the weird thing, it is happening at high rpm's during engine breaking.

Red__Zed 02-04-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2146767)
That is the weird thing, it is happening at high rpm's during engine breaking.

Are you at a high enough rpm that you might be losing grip otherwise?

What tires are you running?

SurfDog 02-04-2013 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2146805)
Are you at a high enough rpm that you might be losing grip otherwise?

What tires are you running?

Stockers on dry asphalt. I'm thinking it might be a VDC thing to hold the turn... Dunno.

Red__Zed 02-04-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2146840)
Stockers on dry asphalt. I'm thinking it might be a VDC thing to hold the turn... Dunno.

It's been cold here, and the stock tires probably aren't gripping that great. I bet the car is trying to control/prevent slip.

Sh0velMan 02-04-2013 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2146767)
That is the weird thing, it is happening at high rpm's during engine breaking.

What RPM specifically?

SurfDog 02-04-2013 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2146888)
It's been cold here, and the stock tires probably aren't gripping that great. I bet the car is trying to control/prevent slip.

Yeah that is my guess too! I just didn't know the VDC could do that.

I was wondering if anybody else on the forum had experienced that type of "traction control". The first time I felt it (it happens on an off-ramp I sometimes take coming into San Francisco) it definitely felt like malfunction or poorly tuned electronic throttle kind of thing. The car is in Colorado now but I have a great off-ramp in mind to try and reproduce the conditions in another spot. I guess I'll look for the VDC light to flash at me to indicate a "correction."

The thing is, it feels like I'm pretty far from losing traction when this happens. (not on the edge of the traction circle from the feel of it) So it is pretty (overly) conservative if it really is the VDC. I guess the thing to do is try to reproduce the phenomena in straight and turning decelerations to see if it really is a traction correction.

Anybody else ever experience this?

SurfDog 02-04-2013 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2146907)
What RPM specifically?

4-5k rpm I'd say (engine breaking)

dal1307 02-04-2013 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2146432)
I have an uprev tune done at zcargarage in San Jose but am about to re-tune for high altitude driving in Colorado.

two questions (one easy one harder)

1. Do I need to retune from my present settings at warm sea level, to cooler and much altitude higher driving??? (between work at 5,500 feet and my home at 9,000 feet). I feel like the computer will adjust, but really do not know.

I could easily replace the Valet map(#3) or stock map(#2) for a mountain map.

2. I have experienced numerous occurrences of the following: While decelerating in a right fairly aggressive downhill turn (engine braking), about two seconds after the downshift (with and without SRM) I get a little "throttle blip" and lose some of my engine braking. Could this be a VDC function? It is really annoying, and (as I am usually counting on the engine decel) has me hopping on my brakes (which is inelegant and maybe a tiny bit unsafe as it always catches me by surprise):eekdance:

3. (bonus question) Anybody have a good denver area tuner they can recommend?? :confused:

3. (bonus answer) MAC Autosport (Welcome to MAC Autosport) I don't trust anyone else around here. Tell them that Dave with the Stillen SC Blue Slate G37 sent you (BTW, that is my car at the top of their home page).

SurfDog 02-05-2013 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dal1307 (Post 2148253)
3. (bonus answer) MAC Autosport (Welcome to MAC Autosport) I don't trust anyone else around here. Tell them that Dave with the Stillen SC Blue Slate G37 sent you (BTW, that is my car at the top of their home page).

Thanks I just called them for a tune and 30k fluids (redline tranny/diff) yesterday. I'm hoping I like em as much as my mech in Cali!!!!!

dal1307 02-06-2013 12:14 AM

They have definitely treated me and my ride well. When are you going in for the tune?

Sh0velMan 02-06-2013 07:09 AM

Sounds like VVEL switchover at around 5200. If you have cipher you can log VVEL position and see there is an 'event' at around that RPM that can cause a blip of sorts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SurfDog (Post 2147701)
4-5k rpm I'd say (engine breaking)


SurfDog 02-06-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dal1307 (Post 2150004)
They have definitely treated me and my ride well. When are you going in for the tune?

Yep! Tune, diff/tranny fluid replace and an oil cooler (with oil change of course.)

They are recommending the 25 row Stillen oil cooler.

Quoted me a bit under $1500 or so for all.


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