Be Careful with UpRev in Mass

Vince@R/T · 06-08-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by agrabau

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

Not that we are from MA but I am interested in this as a Pro tuner for UPREV. Just to be clear you flashed a vehicle with an UPREV Stock ROM and then performed all the drive cycle's so the all the readiness monitors were completed and it still failed emissions?

cdoxp800 · 06-08-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by agrabau

Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment.

Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol.

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do.

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

Let me Guess. Rich Called..

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@R/T

Not that we are from MA but I am interested in this as a Pro tuner for UPREV. Just to be clear you flashed a vehicle with an UPREV Stock ROM and then performed all the drive cycle's so the all the readiness monitors were completed and it still failed emissions?

Hey Vince, I'm sure Alex will answer but I would say no, In his post he says "All readiness codes need to be turned on". I sounds like they turned something off, Or did not drive it the proper mileage for the ECU to reset itself. I really think this is hard to beleive, that they are reading the ECU ROM ID? So the UPREV ROM ID is different then right, Or they just unlocked it to change things? Cause to your point before if the dealer flashes a car for the TCM and ECU updates, Then the ROM ID now different and that car would also fail. Now "IF" MA is just getting smarter and looking for Stock codes or switches that have been turned off that would be something different NO?.

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 03:05 PM

Alex you post alsos sounds like you guys are not going to be flashing anymore cars?

Evil Sports · 06-08-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by seymore4

I'm pretty sure their level of "toolness" was equally proportional to how you acted on the phone.
.

How I acted on the phone?? wait, you were here and you know me??? NO You DONT.... so at this point I think you have exceed the level for toolness.
Sound like a Uprev

seymore4 · 06-08-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cdoxp800

Let me Guess. Rich Called..

LMAO!

You know it!

thisishk350 · 06-08-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by agrabau

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC

Did you try flashing it with the back to stock rom, driving it a while so the ecu could cycle through the readiness checks, then sending it in for inspection? As a “professional shop that apparently knows more than uprev”, this may be insulting but please bear with me.

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Originally Posted by agrabau

That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it.

You’re a F^^^ing idiot to use that as an excuse. The ecu’s that uprev supports only came out in 2003 how do you expect a company to exist before the product they modify was invented??!!!!! Anybody see a starbucks before coffee beans were discovered??? Yeah, didn’t think so.

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Originally Posted by agrabau

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way.

Aftermarket turbo kits are illegal in many states and as a “professional tuning shop with many more years experience than uprev” you should know this very well. This has nothing to do with their product. California could be good example.

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Originally Posted by agrabau

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers

From what we’ve seen in this post you don’t have the qualifications to be a dealer

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Originally Posted by agrabau

They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user.

As a distributer/dealer you are. Deal with it.

ANMVQ · 06-08-2012, 08:58 PM

The reply above ahs some of the funniest things I have ever saw. LOL Thanx man.The coffee
bean one was GREAT. But you make a lot of sense.

Evil Sports · 06-09-2012, 07:24 AM

Funny or flat out Sad. I had hoped to get some insight here not a bunch of sniping bitches second guessing actual facts.

ANMVQ · 06-10-2012, 01:34 PM

The actual fact is this whole thread should closed, Cause it's BS, I HAD my car tested with the UPREV flash and I passed, The facts have holes in them"All readiness codes need to be turned on". NO kidding really, Try unplugging you battery reset your ECU then go drive to an inspection station and see if you pass, Go have a bad O2 sensor changed , Light reset, Go to a station for inspection and see if you pass, NOPE, IT will fail for Readiness codes, Just cause someone flashed a ECU( RESET IT) the took it right away to get a sticker and failed means what,, THEY DID NOT drive it enough for the ECU to run through all its tests.. Something tells me someone doesnt want to use UPREV for another reason? HMMM wonder what it could be,, Maybe tuner?

Evil Sports · 06-10-2012, 02:22 PM

WOW, the internet can really give people the opportunity to play A**hole from behind a key board and say all kinds of crap they would Never say to a persons face. You dont know me or anything about me. I WANT to get my car tuned but when the IN state dealer tells me Im going to have a problem when I go to get it inspected that really makes me want to jump that the chance to do it. There are NO options less then 90 miles from me so running back to them every 12 months for inspections is NOT and option. It was documented there was a problem with the Mitsu-EVO in this state so I would believe the dealer is NOT making this up. Save your hidden agenda theory crap already.

seymore4 · 06-10-2012, 03:44 PM

Man, why are you so angry? You're absolutely right, we don't know anything about you. And likewise you don't know anything about us or our qualifications to comment on this matter.

And as for not saying it to your face.. Grow up, nothing posted was a personal attack against you.. But when your posts come off as an immature kid that takes everything personally even when facts are being presented by very knowledgable people that refute your argument... Sorry can't help you

ChrisSlicks · 06-10-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

The actual fact is this whole thread should closed, Cause it's BS, I HAD my car tested with the UPREV flash and I passed, The facts have holes in them"All readiness codes need to be turned on". NO kidding really, Try unplugging you battery reset your ECU then go drive to an inspection station and see if you pass, Go have a bad O2 sensor changed , Light reset, Go to a station for inspection and see if you pass, NOPE, IT will fail for Readiness codes, Just cause someone flashed a ECU( RESET IT) the took it right away to get a sticker and failed means what,, THEY DID NOT drive it enough for the ECU to run through all its tests.. Something tells me someone doesnt want to use UPREV for another reason? HMMM wonder what it could be,, Maybe tuner?

I will say that Alex and Dent Sport is "THE" race shop in MA and one of the top shops in all of NE. I hold what he says with the highest regard, so if he says there is a problem then there is obviously a problem. UpRev should be working with them as a team to solve the problem for the benefit of the "customers" rather than coming on here and bashing the dealers. Alex builds race cars and drives race cars, but street cars are also a huge part of their regular business hence why is throwing up the red flag. UpRev needs to check it's ego (and attitude) for a minute and figure this out.

Valentino · 06-10-2012, 04:34 PM

sounds like we are going back to the good old days (Pnp)

Evil Sports · 06-10-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

UpRev needs to check it's ego (and attitude) for a minute .

Along with some of the Keyboard cowboys on this site

06-08-2012, 03:05 PM	#19 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	Alex you post alsos sounds like you guys are not going to be flashing anymore cars? __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-08-2012, 08:58 PM	#23 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	The reply above ahs some of the funniest things I have ever saw. LOL Thanx man.The coffee bean one was GREAT. But you make a lot of sense. coop370z likes this. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-09-2012, 07:24 AM	#24 (permalink)
Evil Sports Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mass Posts: 187 Drives: 11-370z-Blue-M6-ST Rep Power: 13	Funny or flat out Sad. I had hoped to get some insight here not a bunch of sniping bitches second guessing actual facts. WI_Hedgehog likes this. __________________ My current Rice stable, Lexus RX 330, Nissan 370z, Honda Aquatrax turbo, Yamaha 212SS

06-10-2012, 01:34 PM	#25 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	The actual fact is this whole thread should closed, Cause it's BS, I HAD my car tested with the UPREV flash and I passed, The facts have holes in them"All readiness codes need to be turned on". NO kidding really, Try unplugging you battery reset your ECU then go drive to an inspection station and see if you pass, Go have a bad O2 sensor changed , Light reset, Go to a station for inspection and see if you pass, NOPE, IT will fail for Readiness codes, Just cause someone flashed a ECU( RESET IT) the took it right away to get a sticker and failed means what,, THEY DID NOT drive it enough for the ECU to run through all its tests.. Something tells me someone doesnt want to use UPREV for another reason? HMMM wonder what it could be,, Maybe tuner? __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

06-10-2012, 02:22 PM	#26 (permalink)
Evil Sports Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mass Posts: 187 Drives: 11-370z-Blue-M6-ST Rep Power: 13	WOW, the internet can really give people the opportunity to play A*hole from behind a key board and say all kinds of crap they would Never say to a persons face. You dont know me or anything about me. I WANT to get my car tuned but when the IN state dealer tells me Im going to have a problem when I go to get it inspected that really makes me want to jump that the chance to do it. There are NO options less then 90 miles from me so running back to them every 12 months for inspections is NOT and option. It was documented there was a problem with the Mitsu-EVO in this state so I would believe the dealer is NOT making this up. Save your hidden agenda theory crap already. __________________ My current Rice stable, Lexus RX 330, Nissan 370z, Honda Aquatrax turbo, Yamaha 212SS Last edited by Evil Sports; 06-10-2012 at 02:25 PM.*

06-10-2012, 03:44 PM	#27 (permalink)
seymore4 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West coast Age: 41 Posts: 555 Drives: 2010 nismo Rep Power: 6726	Man, why are you so angry? You're absolutely right, we don't know anything about you. And likewise you don't know anything about us or our qualifications to comment on this matter. And as for not saying it to your face.. Grow up, nothing posted was a personal attack against you.. But when your posts come off as an immature kid that takes everything personally even when facts are being presented by very knowledgable people that refute your argument... Sorry can't help you

06-10-2012, 04:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
Valentino Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RaceTrack Posts: 349 Drives: SOLD 09,370z,M6 Rep Power: 305	sounds like we are going back to the good old days (Pnp) __________________ Lou Fusz Nissan \| KW V3 \| SPL rear camber and toe bolt \| OS Giken LSD \| Nismo Diff cover \| Engine Oil cooler \| F.I. TDX Cat Back 18" Resonators \| F.I. Resonated Test Pipes \| Injen cold air intake \| COBB AccessPORT \| JWT Clutch Flywheel \|

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