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Old 01-29-2014, 01:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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With the addition of the sway bar, it appears I got some of the speed back from the car. After another brief scare with the datalogs, I was able to see the new sway bar allow me to put down power quicker. It also gave me the confidence to drive deeper and faster. At the end of the day, I spent nearly $3000 on this. Is it worth it? Absolutely not, I think I should have put my money on a some r6 instead. I am sure the difference would be greater at handling tracks like sonoma, but it is what it is. I had fun at least.


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Old 01-30-2014, 07:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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like clint said, rear is too stiff...
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that's why i ended up changing the front bar only, definitely helped out. At this point, I actually have to worry about my clutch as it might be going. Argg
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Do u run a rear bar? U could try removing it
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I do have the stock bar. It might be okay for right now as I have to deal with the clutch and front camber issue first. I barely had any good open track last time as the track was filled with slow Miatas.

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You seem pumped at the end of that lap! It looked you were really working the car over good. I would love to be able to drive that track.

I'm not so sure your rear springs are too stiff Cossie. Mike runs the same Tein coil over set up as me and he has 14K springs on all corners and he reports it is excellent and I know he said some more experienced racers drove his car and said it was set up awesome. I personally went 12K in the rear in 14K in the front instead of the 14K square since I'm not on slicks.
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Cossie my words of encouragement would be that a new suspension is an adventure. Don't expect to reap all of the benefits of a new suspension in 1, 2, 6, or 9 months. I am sure some other guys named clint and martin can attest.
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I had a rough last outing and I had a pretty bad start to the day thanks to traffic. I was down to the last two laps and I finally was able to get within a few tenths of my target. I was a little bit sad when I calculated I still had .5 sec that I could pick up. Next time I am aiming for 45s.

I don't know if the springs made as big of a difference as the sway bar. I do notice the steering got heavier, especially at slower speeds. I am not going to mess around on the springs at this point. I am just going to save up for some front camber and call it a day.


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You seem pumped at the end of that lap! It looked you were really working the car over good. I would love to be able to drive that track.

I'm not so sure your rear springs are too stiff Cossie. Mike runs the same Tein coil over set up as me and he has 14K springs on all corners and he reports it is excellent and I know he said some more experienced racers drove his car and said it was set up awesome. I personally went 12K in the rear in 14K in the front instead of the 14K square since I'm not on slicks.
I know, that's why I waited forever to mod this car. I did it years ago to my Miata, it was like chasing the dragon. I was hesitant about doing it, but too late to go back now.

What does $3k buy you, about 1.5 sec quicker per lap. I know I can definitely get more out of a set of slicks


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I had a rough last outing and I had a pretty bad start to the day thanks to traffic. I was down to the last two laps and I finally was able to get within a few tenths of my target. I was a little bit sad when I calculated I still had .5 sec that I could pick up. Next time I am aiming for 45s.

I don't know if the springs made as big of a difference as the sway bar. I do notice the steering got heavier, especially at slower speeds. I am not going to mess around on the springs at this point. I am just going to save up for some front camber and call it a day.




I know, that's why I waited forever to mod this car. I did it years ago to my Miata, it was like chasing the dragon. I was hesitant about doing it, but too late to go back now.

What does $3k buy you, about 1.5 sec quicker per lap. I know I can definitely get more out of a set of slicks
Well hey, you can't beat Jeremy Clarkson playing grand turismo in a nsx but you're faster than him actually driving it on that track. He did a 1:57 so I'd be proud with a 1:45.
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I have the same issue with too stiff rear springs, I can't put down power at all while turning. Removing rear sway bar helped out and stiffest I cold up front on whiteline. I will be dropping 2 full spring rates or so in the rear and give that a try.
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If it makes you feel any better cossie this thread has given me a world of new knowledge of suspension


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Yeah dude and don't get frustrated, I can admire your perfectionism and your dedication, think everyone here can. But figuring out a a new setup, man it's gonna take some time. Think how long it took you to figure out your first one!

Anyway, love the videos keep 'em coming, come hang out with us at BRP sometime! Maybe you needa change of pace.
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This is comparison between when the car was stock vs. when I only had the coilovers, I was almost one sec slower. Yikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj__fbR_QVc

I can't take anything apart now and I am done spending for at least six months, the only thing I can get is maybe slicks. So I am just going to keep riding for now, I know there is another .5 sec in me based on what I can see (T3 and using 2nd gear for T11). As long as I can put together a clean lap together, I will be happy.

I can't even go one day without getting grief from my wife, better not push it any further. I am going to stick to Sonoma and Laguna. Goal is a 1:45 at Laguna with the R-S3 and 1:59 at Sonoma.
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This is comparison between when the car was stock vs. when I only had the coilovers, I was almost one sec slower. Yikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj__fbR_QVc

I can't take anything apart now and I am done spending for at least six months, the only thing I can get is maybe slicks. So I am just going to keep riding for now, I know there is another .5 sec in me based on what I can see (T3 and using 2nd gear for T11). As long as I can put together a clean lap together, I will be happy.

I can't even go one day without getting grief from my wife, better not push it any further. I am going to stick to Sonoma and Laguna. Goal is a 1:45 at Laguna with the R-S3 and 1:59 at Sonoma.
Why not just get new rear springs? They can't be much and if you sell what you have it should offset the cost. Not to mention aren't the FA 510 OEM setup? Takes 10 min so swap the rears.
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I would have to get the car re-corner balance and there is no way to tell if it would help or not help, I am not going down that road again. I actually had a set of 10K springs too, but I returned it. Also as I said, I have bigger issues to deal with right now. I have to worry about the clutch and the diff. first
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