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jpritche 05-08-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1710093)
I'm just asking you to back up your statement. You said you had a source, would love to see it. I am genuinely curious and would be happy to be proved wrong. No need to take everything personal.

Source or :gtfo2:

ChrisSlicks 05-08-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1710287)
I'll be swapping out the brake pads and fluid on my base brakes and see how they hold up at the track. Will be going pretty easy for now since I'm just starting out. Since I am a beginner, can you guys give me some tips/hints on how to identify brake fade/failure and what I should do if I do recognize it while I'm on the track? Thanks :tiphat:

Softening pedal and increased ABS intervention are the primary two indicators. Problem is once you get that you may only have 2 corners before things go horribly wrong. You won't really know except with experience whether what you had was just routine issues or an actual problem.

b1adesofcha0s 05-08-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1710601)
Softening pedal and increased ABS intervention are the primary two indicators. Problem is once you get that you may only have 2 corners before things go horribly wrong. You won't really know except with experience whether what you had was just routine issues or an actual problem.

Thanks! Probably gonna take it easy for now since I will be without an oil cooler and on all season tires. Just doing a hyperdrive, not a full HPDE so it shouldn't be too hard on the brakes. Hoping to gain enough experience to recognize these things and act appropriately when I do full HPDE's next year or at least not freak out and freeze if it happens :icon17:

ChrisSlicks 05-08-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1710612)
Thanks! Probably gonna take it easy for now since I will be without an oil cooler and on all season tires. Just doing a hyperdrive, not a full HPDE so it shouldn't be too hard on the brakes. Hoping to gain enough experience to recognize these things and act appropriately when I do full HPDE's next year or at least not freak out and freeze if it happens :icon17:

For a hyperdrive as a first timer I think you will be perfectly fine, especially with upgraded pads and fluid. Have fun!

b1adesofcha0s 05-08-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1710652)
For a hyperdrive as a first timer I think you will be perfectly fine, especially with upgraded pads and fluid. Have fun!

Will do :tup:

It's funny, I might actually be out at Summit Point in a Lambo/Ferrari before I go there in my own car. Bought an exotic driving experience thing for 2 laps around Summit Point. Should be a fun first track experience :p

ChrisSlicks 05-08-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1710663)
Will do :tup:

It's funny, I might actually be out at Summit Point in a Lambo/Ferrari before I go there in my own car. Bought an exotic driving experience thing for 2 laps around Summit Point. Should be a fun first track experience :p

I saw a few of the exotics lined up today, although they weren't racing them. Today they had some police tactical training and were driving crown vics while setting off flash/bang granades and firing semi-automatic weapons. It was interesting having an explosion go off as you were starting to accelerate out of turn 1.

Doing that isn't a bad way to test the waters either.

b1adesofcha0s 05-08-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1710669)
I saw a few of the exotics lined up today, although they weren't racing them. Today they had some police tactical training and were driving crown vics while setting off flash/bang granades and firing semi-automatic weapons. It was interesting having an explosion go off as you were starting to accelerate out of turn 1.

Doing that isn't a bad way to test the waters either.

Sounds like fun :p

red6spd 05-09-2012 09:27 AM

Yea because anyone who has been around the forum knows that Red_Zed just was curious umm yeaaaa, he never trys to start fights we me. Anyway I believe I read it in CarAndDriver since all you guys are so "curious" I will either look for the issue or search the internet.

DCNISMO 05-09-2012 10:34 AM

Who carries the Nismo ducts? I see the part numbers you posted, but who do you call?

osbornsm 05-09-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO (Post 1711502)
but who do you call?

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Spikuh 05-09-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1711302)
Yea because anyone who has been around the forum knows that Red_Zed just was curious umm yeaaaa, he never trys to start fights we me. Anyway I believe I read it in CarAndDriver since all you guys are so "curious" I will either look for the issue or search the internet.

:shakes head:

What in the world are you saying here? You aren't even deflecting well anymore... Red_Zed isn't/didn't start a fight with you. He posted this:

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1674538)
link to anything verifying the fact that the abuse was out of the ordinary? Every car at lightning lap had been an abused press car...


Their post-mortem (as always, to be taken with a grain of salt) seems to fall in line with the widespread opinion that it is an airflow issue.


They were able to melt the pads on another Z, which doesn't lend much credence to the "it was abused" theory.

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Car and Driver

As a response to this:

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1674505)
Another fact most people dont know is the Nismo C&D had the brake failure was a press car that had thousands of tortured miles on it before C&D had it.

Now pay attention and re-read what both you and he wrote and actually sit and think about it a second before blowing a gasket and having a brain anurism. You made the assertion that your statement was a FACT. That means it can be verified as being truthful. His reply is simply asking that you provide the verification that the Z they wrecked was abused beyond that of every other car they were testing it against.

That's it...how in the world are you missing the point? :icon14:

Instead of all this run around deflection you are failing misserably at, why not actually just look it up like you said you were going to and try to provide a link to the article? It would be so much easier and probably require less effort in the end.

Here is where you said you would look it up:

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1674585)
Yea I will put it at the top of my list when I get home.

That is the 19th of April mind you. It is now the 9th of May, which is going on 3 weeks worth of time...

And now you are saying you will look it up again...go ahead and color me skeptical.


Now then....thread on. :happydance:

Dwnshift 05-09-2012 12:14 PM

Sorry for the interuption.
The ducts can be ordered from:
Nissan Motorsports Parts
1615-223-3335
The carbon ducts are made to fit the Nismo nose.
Same ducts found on the NISMO RC 370Z.
Just trying to help.
Dwnshift

Spikuh 05-09-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift (Post 1711748)
Sorry for the interuption.
The ducts can be ordered from:
Nissan Motorsports Parts
1615-223-3335
The carbon ducts are made to fit the Nismo nose.
Same ducts found on the NISMO RC 370Z.
Just trying to help.
Dwnshift

:tup:



I think this was mentioned on page 1, but Stillen has a brake ducting system as well.

They claim a 25% reduction in temps.

STILLEN : STILLEN 370Z Brake Cooling Kit

DCNISMO 05-09-2012 03:07 PM

Quote:

Sorry for the interuption.
The ducts can be ordered from:
Nissan Motorsports Parts
1615-223-3335
The carbon ducts are made to fit the Nismo nose.
Same ducts found on the NISMO RC 370Z.
Just trying to help.
Dwnshift
Thanks, I did not want to intercede in this little spat going on here...I'm going to the Grand Am race this weekend in New Jersey, I'll see if I can talk to the guys running the Z's and take some pics.

Dwnshift 05-09-2012 03:14 PM

We aren't there.... well w the Z anyway. The team is there running a DP... but the RC will be back starting at Mid Ohio. Lookout of major updates to the Z's suspension and engine program....mainly new Bosch engine mng system.
Dwnshift

Mike 05-09-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1711841)
:tup:



I think this was mentioned on page 1, but Stillen has a brake ducting system as well.

They claim a 25% reduction in temps.

STILLEN : STILLEN 370Z Brake Cooling Kit

two different things, kind of. You need the nissan motorsports ducts, along with the stillen cooling kit for the stillen bumper car to make a kit for the nismo. Or you can make your own, the Nismo ducts are just the ducts that fix into the front bumper

Dwnshift 05-09-2012 09:55 PM

We have fabricated our own backing plates and are looking into putting them into production. There is a lot of time / fabrication that goes into them....but we are looking at some options on it.
Dwnshift

Mike 05-09-2012 09:56 PM

what size hose are you using, out of curiosity?

DCNISMO 05-10-2012 07:41 AM

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We aren't there.... well w the Z anyway. The team is there running a DP... but the RC will be back starting at Mid Ohio. Lookout of major updates to the Z's suspension and engine program....mainly new Bosch engine mng system.
Dwnshift
I might go to mid-Ohio too, too bad your Z won't be at NJMP. Is anybody else running Z's in Grand Am this year? Aside, the Motorsports are jsut the ducts, so I assume I'll have to get my Nismo bumper cut on to get them fitted, then I can use the Stillen kit if the hose they use will fit over the duct mount. NSM should just do a whole kit. I have their cold air intake and I like how its engineered and has the factory look.

I'm going to go check the Grand Am site to see which teams are entered.

Dwnshift 05-10-2012 08:42 AM

It may end up being a kit offered by Nissan motorsports parts.....if not the rest of the kit maybe offered by us. Without being frony of the car.....I believe the duct fits a 3 or 4 " hose..wr fabricated a splitter that cuts it down into 2 smaller hoses.
There may be some shots in an earlier post by another member from Barber.
The braking on the RC..is one of its strongest assets...and cooling isnt an issue.

sixpax 05-10-2012 10:01 AM

Will the ducts work on a non nismo fascia ? Not sure how different the two are curvature wise at the mounting location

Dwnshift 05-10-2012 11:57 AM

Hmmmm.... Not sure.
Def a question for Nissan motorsports parts dept.

Dwnshift 05-10-2012 12:11 PM

Btw.... It's a 4" duct...splits into 2... 3" hoses... Which feed to our own backing plates on t rotors.

DarkJak 05-10-2012 01:15 PM

So 2 hoses on each side?

Dwnshift 05-10-2012 04:37 PM

Correct

Rusty 05-11-2012 05:09 PM

I called Paul yesterday. The ducts are $380 each, and you have to sign up for the Nissan Racer Support Program before they can sell them to you.

ChrisSlicks 05-11-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 1716272)
I called Paul yesterday. The ducts are $380 each, and you have to sign up for the Nissan Racer Support Program before they can sell them to you.

And unfortunately you have to be running in the SCCA or NASA wheel-to-wheel classes to qualify to sign up. I emailed them last year about the possibility of supporting some time trial classes (just to buy parts, no cash reward) but they never responded.

sixpax 05-11-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1716303)
And unfortunately you have to be running in the SCCA or NASA wheel-to-wheel classes to qualify to sign up. I emailed them last year about the possibility of supporting some time trial classes (just to buy parts, no cash reward) but they never responded.

Seems like from a product development stand point they would want as many items out there as possible. Would help make the products better because they would get more feedback. Rather dumb IMHO to limit themselves to a handful of cars, if that, year in year out.

ChrisSlicks 05-11-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sixpax (Post 1716323)
Seems like from a product development stand point they would want as many items out there as possible. Would help make the products better because they would get more feedback. Rather dumb IMHO to limit themselves to a handful of cars, if that, year in year out.

All the Mazda folk I race with are on the Mazda program as it is apparently much more liberal in it's support of time trials. It would be nice if Nissan followed suit.

cossie1600 05-11-2012 07:07 PM

Mazda supports autox ears too

Dwnshift 05-11-2012 07:20 PM

Let me see what i can do.
Dwnshift

Dwnshift 05-14-2012 05:10 PM

I spoke w Paul at NMP today.... They will and want to sell parts to anyone that tracks a 350-370z. So you don't have to be racing...this goes for NASA TT sessions or just a DE guy.
The carbon RC ducts only fit on the NISMO front nose.
Again.....Nissan Motorsports parts will sell you parts if your tracking your Z and hey had already sold 3 or 4 sets of the 10 we sent them.
Downshift

DCNISMO 05-14-2012 07:09 PM

I'm going to order some tomorrow, if the agree to sell them. Too bad you were not at new jersey for the race with the Z. I have tons of pics, what was your company running in prototype? Tell me and I'll post some pics of them. It was a great race, and great weather.

ChrisSlicks 05-14-2012 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift (Post 1720167)
I spoke w Paul at NMP today.... They will and want to sell parts to anyone that tracks a 350-370z. So you don't have to be racing...this goes for NASA TT sessions or just a DE guy.
The carbon RC ducts only fit on the NISMO front nose.
Again.....Nissan Motorsports parts will sell you parts if your tracking your Z and hey had already sold 3 or 4 sets of the 10 we sent them.
Downshift

Great! Thanks for the continued support. Now ... when will those upper control arms be available? :p

Dwnshift 05-14-2012 08:03 PM

They ran the only v2 dp ....dallara w paul tracy and jim lowe. I havent heard the scoop yet but i know the results were not what they wanted.
:(
Our upper control arms are completed....as well as rear camber and rear toe arms.
Ill be at the shop tomorrow and hopefully be able to post pics.
These arms should alsi be available through NMP.
Also gonna talk w the boss regarding a fix for the pick up issue in the oem tank.
Dwnshift

We have a stock saddle tank and pump assemblies at the shop

DCNISMO 05-14-2012 08:41 PM

What was their DP number? I'm sure I have shots of them. It was a great race, no yellow flags till about the 20 minute or so mark....then it got interesting. That must have been a record for a green flag in the races so far this season.

Dwnshift 05-15-2012 08:09 PM

ChrisSlicks...check the suspension zone for the pics.
Dwnshift

Versa_Drifter 05-16-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mikegreco16 (Post 1668110)
So I'm trying to decide if I should buy a 370z or not, and having had a 350z I too did experience brake failure on the 350 and do not want to experience it again. So I'm trying to find out if anyone WHILE ROAD RACING has experienced brake failure.

Thanks in advance

Racing for pinks, i see.:driving:

Rusty 05-23-2012 11:43 AM

There is one more set of RC brake ducts on stock if anyone wants them. Not cheap.

Dwnshift 05-23-2012 07:29 PM

I guess 9 sold pretty quickly ;)


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