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mdxj 06-13-2012 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1770673)
Feedback on runs. Walk the course more as you were not sure where you were going at times from what I could see. You can carry more speed in turns than you were. Try not to coast so much. Goal should be on throttle or on brakes. On spinning. My rule is you don't spin at least once as a nwer driver you're not figuring limits of your car at a local ax event. Save the no spinning stuff for national competitions.

I stopped counting how many times I spun or went into a slide when I first started. I think only half of my runs even counted but that's the only way to learn plus in most autox courses, there is almost zero chance of hitting anything but a cone when you do spin, unless of course some random person drives a golf cart through the course ...

danegrey 06-14-2012 06:43 PM

This is a great thread, read it all today not just parts.
I ran an AutoX last Sunday, and for the class did not do too bad. I was running with a local club that follows NASA rules, so I was in BS, which also had a 91 CRX, 99 Mazda Miata, 93 Honda Civic, which all did sub 50's. Those were pure autox cars based on mods. In the mostly stock cars I was in the hunt. I turned a 54.501 just behind a 2010 Camero SS that did a 54.343.

Any how, I ran tire pressures of 38 front / 35 rear, its 100% a stock car. My biggest question is understeer, Now I am not quite sure if was lack of grip, lead foot or what. The rear's stuck with the 35 pressure.

I use my left foot for braking, so I got it into 2nd and left there. I feather it through the turns via braking and throttle. It was fun.

So anyone has any suggestions as to what I my problem might be.

mdxj 06-14-2012 06:51 PM

Is your car a base or sport package?

cossie1600 06-14-2012 07:26 PM

Car doesn't turn from the factory. It is worse when you have the OEM tires, there just isn't enough grip to turn the cow. You just need to back off and be patient. You can left foot brake in this car, but you can't ride the brake pedal while you are on the gas as there is a throttle override. Buy some autox tires and practice, that's all you can do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey (Post 1772420)
This is a great thread, read it all today not just parts.
I ran an AutoX last Sunday, and for the class did not do too bad. I was running with a local club that follows NASA rules, so I was in BS, which also had a 91 CRX, 99 Mazda Miata, 93 Honda Civic, which all did sub 50's. Those were pure autox cars based on mods. In the mostly stock cars I was in the hunt. I turned a 54.501 just behind a 2010 Camero SS that did a 54.343.

Any how, I ran tire pressures of 38 front / 35 rear, its 100% a stock car. My biggest question is understeer, Now I am not quite sure if was lack of grip, lead foot or what. The rear's stuck with the 35 pressure.

I use my left foot for braking, so I got it into 2nd and left there. I feather it through the turns via braking and throttle. It was fun.

So anyone has any suggestions as to what I my problem might be.


Shamu 06-14-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey (Post 1772420)
This is a great thread, read it all today not just parts.
I ran an AutoX last Sunday, and for the class did not do too bad. I was running with a local club that follows NASA rules, so I was in BS, which also had a 91 CRX, 99 Mazda Miata, 93 Honda Civic, which all did sub 50's. Those were pure autox cars based on mods. In the mostly stock cars I was in the hunt. I turned a 54.501 just behind a 2010 Camero SS that did a 54.343.

Any how, I ran tire pressures of 38 front / 35 rear, its 100% a stock car. My biggest question is understeer, Now I am not quite sure if was lack of grip, lead foot or what. The rear's stuck with the 35 pressure.

I use my left foot for braking, so I got it into 2nd and left there. I feather it through the turns via braking and throttle. It was fun.

So anyone has any suggestions as to what I my problem might be.

I thought throttle cut on our cars as soon as brakes are engaged. did your year not have throttle cut when your on brakes? Left foot braking with throttle off is ...well braking

Car with stock tires and alignment will understeer. You need bigger front tires and some negative camber up front to control understeer.

ChrisSlicks 06-15-2012 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 1772478)
I thought throttle cut on our cars as soon as brakes are engaged. did your year not have throttle cut when your on brakes? Left foot braking with throttle off is ...well braking

If will give you about 10% throttle with the foot on the brake, but yeah not much. You can defeat that system by pulling the brake light fuse which is fine for auto-x.

danegrey 06-15-2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdxj (Post 1772431)
Is your car a base or sport package?

Its the sports package

danegrey 06-15-2012 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1772477)
Car doesn't turn from the factory. It is worse when you have the OEM tires, there just isn't enough grip to turn the cow. You just need to back off and be patient. You can left foot brake in this car, but you can't ride the brake pedal while you are on the gas as there is a throttle override. Buy some autox tires and practice, that's all you can do.

No I do not ride the brake while on the gas, I gas and brake through the wider turns.

What is throttle override?

cossie1600 06-15-2012 02:55 PM

Safety feature, it wont let you ride both pedal at the same time. You get 10 to 15% engine power while brakes are on

danegrey 06-15-2012 04:04 PM

Thanks all for the input, this will give me food for thought, until the next time I get to autocross....

gomer_110 06-18-2012 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1773787)
Safety feature, it wont let you ride both pedal at the same time. You get 10 to 15% engine power while brakes are on

F***ing Toyota. If it wasn't for their sticking accelerator pedal this PITA feature probably wouldn't exist.

cossie1600 06-18-2012 08:44 PM

Umm no, it was in many cars prior to the fake cases. Ask Subaru owners

ChrisSlicks 06-18-2012 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1778241)
Umm no, it was in many cars prior to the fake cases. Ask Subaru owners

And Porsche and BMW. Even the GT3 RS has this feature.

At least it is easy to work around on the Z, probably not so easy on some other platforms.

gomer_110 06-18-2012 09:51 PM

I stand corrected.

Shamu 06-19-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 1778300)
And Porsche and BMW. Even the GT3 RS has this feature.

At least it is easy to work around on the Z, probably not so easy on some other platforms.

Yeah go figure! It's been around for long time my 2006 Mazda had same programming. My new 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee allows braking and throttle at same time. Guess you have to buy SUV to left foot brake in new car!


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