I don't necessarily agree. Cars that feel faster than they are can be quite fun to drive.

I think the Z is faster than it feels, but it still feels pretty dang fun :D

:iagree: The Z definitely is faster than it feels. It's a little boring in the acceleration department, but no one bought the car for that reason, right? Right? :ugh2:

As long as you keep the revs up it's good to go. 3k at a minimum. 4k or higher is better when you want to go.

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Yup. The Z is just dang fun.

Also, I actually think it pulls pretty hard in 2nd gear at 15mph. Its proved to be more than enough to get in and out of traffic in any situation I've encountered.

Which is why I said I'd rather have it haha. I agree with you do, it all depends on the car and what you'd like out of it. But when a bolt on Z can outrun an E9X M3, I'd say it qualifies as pretty quick. :tup:

well like I had said, I was curious about thoughts on ... I don't know how to explain it.

If a modded Z runs lets say (without gears) 12.7 or so, that's pretty good IMO, but for instance, it's not hard to get an Evo or an STI there pretty easily. Stock for stock the 335i is about even in the acceleration area (just from what i've read) handling it actually seems to do better.

For me, I just loved having that little extra safety feeling of AWD, but the Z is a drivers car and I feel a lot more comfortable with it then I did at first since I had not owned a RWD car since I was 18 ... and i'm 33 now.

Some people don't consider it a "fast" car in the 1/4. Some consider it to be just be decent on a road course type setting. However, against it's competitors in the real world, where does it rank?

I would say it is a quick car. It fairs well in acceleration and does very well for itself in handling. All this argument over the torque curve seems silly to me. yes 220lb/ft of torque doesn't seem like much, but in our cars it is very deceptive. the torque curve looks flatter than any gasoline or diesel engine I have ever seen. You never get that strong shove in the seat but it definitely gets moving very quickly. Also if your in second doing 10 mph, you probably aren't driving it too hard, so I don't see the issue here. Maybe they could have made a tune available for those that wanted the shove in the seats, just neuter the low rpm band and let it get to normal in the middle of it.

My ART pipes pushed me back in the seat pretty well when I installed them, just by themselves.

It holds its own. I think from the most objective view possible, it's probably under-rated in terms of acceleration (on a good day the 7AT stock can dip into the 12s and the 6MT can be pretty quick with a good driver) and overestimated in terms of handling.

It's tough to give it a rank because there is too much performance car competition in the sub 40k space. Ultimately I think if you are looking for a two-seat sports car with some power behind it, the 370 is probably the best buy on the market right now.

After all I ended up buying one instead of a Cayman S, which I was 100% ready and able to buy. It's a solid car.

Well, you're in a normal driving situation at that point. No one just cruises at low speed in 1st gear (at least they shouldn't).

Unfortunately with the Z, even though it makes say 220 lb-ft at 2,000 RPM, it's only got something like 160hp at that point pulling it along. If you really want to get a move on you better be at 4k or above. Which is fine. It takes some adjustment to learn to drive that way (program a downshift into the brain when you want to move)... but some people (myself included) prefer a car with usable power at any RPM above 0. :icon17:

That's for street driving of course. On the track where you are winding it out all the time I am not concerned with how much hp/torque I am making at 2-3-4k even... because I'll be up at the top of the power band almost 100% of the time.

Fix'd :tiphat:

Are you implying that I couldn't afford a new Cayman S? :rolleyes:

Some of you 4-wheel biotches need to be spanked now and then. :stirthepot:

It's true, this is me in the video :p

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