Plus can you really break a car with not much technology in them?

Exactly. That's the point I always try to make when defending German reliability - they simply have more features built in to them, and are ahead of the curve in technological achievements (Mercedes, especially) by such a margin that statistically they have more crap that's likely to go wrong.

Where as your everyday Toyota doesn't. Likewise, Japanese luxury makes often wait years before implementing those same features the German cars have had, because playing the waiting game has always been a trait of Japan. They wait until a technology is dramatically improved before implementing it - early adopting is not a Japanese quality.

i believe the americans invented the cup holder -- the germans didn't think people should drink and drive :)

Germans take it too far and overengineerd their cars

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Stock def not. i wreck STOCK 335i. modded ones we will have a problem. which was said earlier in the the thread. my dad has the 328 and that cars a joke. The car handles nice but nothing like the Z. i looked into getting the 135 and for the money wasnt worth it to me. looked at S5's and they all seem to be in the same ballpark performance wise. But then you get into the AWD rear seats, a trunk lol. your paying for convenience and the name. I'm having a hard time finding the next car i want bc the Z has spoiled me. its just over all a great car. not the most practical but i love it. wish it came AWD.. That would be AWSOME! :happydance:

Id take a 335 for the price i paid for my Z if I could when I got my z. 5-800 dollars later and thE 335 would be in the 12's. Too many people look at the 335 as a slow car. It's not.

But it's all personal preference ...

id take a 335x for the price of my car in a heartbeat. AWD FI is def the way to go. They arnt a slow car. just slower than us stock lol

Very true ! The x would be nice. I have a 325xi on hand as my girl has one and we live together. The awd system is more RWD oriented as well. A ton of fun in the snow..

my dad used to have an A4 quattro and he said he'd take that car over his beemer any day. His lease is up in june and hes buying a truck :shakes head:

he wants to replace this with an 01 Chevy silverado :shakes head:
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/t...sbnl/web-1.jpg

That's a nice BMW. She had an A4 before her 325. A 99. We both miss the Audi but love the BMW too... They're both good cars. The Audi had a better awd system as far as traction. I really like audi's and bmw's as well as my Z. Lol. Too many good cars out there!

Oil cooler doesn't matter. It has turbo's, they can be tuned. The ECU version MSD80 is the same from 2007 on up. Obviously, it has been updated since... but same ol same ol as far as tuning goes ;)

Here is a RB (Rob Beck) Turbo 335i. It's the stock turbo's just bored out a bit with very minor modifications. I don't think they run more than a few thousand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcs_n...layer_embedded

Anyone else think that a straight 6 with twin turbo's making 340-350 whp on 15 psi is kind of pitiful? A TT 370Z on 8 psi will make 440 whp. They really aren't in the same class. Unless you do a lot of weight reduction they will get eaten alive on a road courses much like an S5. They're touring cars. They're meant for cruising comfortably at high speeds and have the convenience of trunks, plush leather, and all the luxury amenities while still handling well and being "fast".


And why bore out the motor and keep stock turbo's? That may be cheaper but it's much more of a production than a turbo swap

No no.. I think you misunderstood. The stock turbo was bored out a bit, not the engine :). All in all, this is the first turbo "upgrade" and its making 460whp on pump 93. At 20psi w/ meth and fuel its 500+. It's funny, I can't even describe how small the turbos are. Literally, each one is the size of a deck of cards.

I agree with you though, without serious suspension upgrades, the 335i would not round a track like a 370z ever.