Coaches for the next ultimate fighter are Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson.

I'll take Roy Nelson easy. Especially if he gets to the second round. I like Carwin but he's really only a brawler with no gas tank. Nelson is tuff and technical fighter. Goofball....sure. Nothing wrong with that.

Really? I'd take Carwin to win the fight. I see Nelson acting as the punching bag for this fight. Sure Carwin will gas out but still land enough points to get the decision.

hmm.. oddly enough i got nelson too

Looks like they just announced Koshcheck vs Ellenberger as the co-main event for Jones vs Henderson. Looks like that card just got a lot more interesting. :tup:

I think I am one of the few koshcheck fans left after he lost to GSP. He is great to watch tho. :tup:

I still like Koshcheck. I think the fight might have gone differently if he hadn't had his eye taken out with the first punch of the fight.

The thing is though, I still think GSP is the most intelligent fighter in the UFC. The man's biggest strength is his intelligence and training game plan. I personally think he is more dangerous than Silva, just because of that. But Kos is a beast with a fire under his ***. and he is funny as hell

On looks alone, Nelson is never anyone's favorite. He's got a gut, not a very long reach, he's short. But dude has mad skills. I like both fighters, ought to be a good one.
I hate all the sh*t talking that Kos does. He's a great fighter and is classy in victory and defeat, but he doesn't need all that bs trash talk.

That trash talking, I hate to say, pays for itself. It hypes up the fight and raises attendance. I would love if it didn't have to happen, but until the UFC is bigger...

Why is redneck soap opera (wwf/wcw) still bigger and more profitable? The consumer controls the market.

I'm not going by looks though, I'm going by the fights I've seen him in. Did you see him fight Werdum? He looked like he was just an oversized punching bag :icon17:

I've never liked Big Boy Roy, the thing he has is he can take a punch to deliver. Over time that will start wear down if he lasts that long and can continue stringing along a few wins along with his losses. I think he should have to cut that huge beard he is rocking these days. Gives his chin some cushion. But when he faces Carwin and has to eat one of those lunch boxes I think he will see lights out that night.

Kos what can you say about Kos that hasn't already been said. Don't particularly like him or hate him. I for one like the trash talking and ramping up of the fight. It makes it more interesting if they make it personal. Think back of the antics Mike Tyson used to pull at the pre-fight conferences. After his career was over he stated that he would have the fight won before his opponent would even step into the ring. Getting in someones head is part of the fight.


Who is watching the fights Saturday? I will not be buying this card and hopefully make it to the local BWW or B Dubs as I like to call them or any place that is carrying the fight.

I hope Faber can get past Barao. I really want him to beat Cruz to close out their trilogy.

I am also curious to see how Lombard does against Boestch. Can a Bellator fighter succeed in the UFC? Is he the real deal or just beating up on B class talent.

Hate on Roy all you like, fellas, he's a winner. He's knocked out guys who were favored, guys who were taller, longer, etc. I like him because he's the anti-Jon Jones. You look at his physique and think, "whaaaa?"

Trash talk is bush league bullcrap. It's just drama. I prefer when fighters show respect and discipline, reflecting the nature of martial arts, not the melodramatic WWE bs. Even Spider Silva got into the act, and I've lost some respect for him because of it.

I don't mind Roy, definitely an interesting personality. I just don't think he will win this specific fight. He hasn't done too well against top level heavy weights with heavy hands. His 3 UFC losses were to JDS, Frank Mir, and Fabricio Werdum. I see Carwin throwing punches in bunches and eventually gassing out around the 3rd round. Last 2 rounds will probably be your typical HW whale slugfest. I think Carwin gets the win by decision. Of course either of them could land a good punch at any time and end the fight.

I don't like the trash talk either, but I have to admit it gets me way more excited for the fight. I think Sonnen went too far in the comments disrespecting Silva's wife and country and I was actually happy to see Silva finally say something.

Didn't change my opinion of the fight a bit. I was excited because the last one was so close. I knew Sonnen was a trash talker. His words are meaningless. I would have rather Silva shown class, shown that he is the bigger man, as others have in the past.

I don't like the fact that it got me more excited for the fight, but it did. I would have preferred that Silva show some more class but it is what it is.

I'd like to see Faber rise to the top again. He was always one of my favorites. Just so entertaining and seems like a really good guy, you know.

I think when you have trash talkers, it raises revenue, but also makes the gentlemanly fighters look that much better. Kos is one of those guys who trash talks before a fight, then he immediately gets classy again right before during and after the fight. So you know his trash talk is just about raising hype. The fact that he went up and HUGGED GSP after their last one blew me away.

I think we will all remember that line about brock lesnar eating a burrito :shakes head:

I think you all are getting to caught up in this being Daniel-san and Mr. Miagi type martial arts. These are regular people who chose MMA as a lucrative business to compete in with their talents...some more than others. All walks of life are getting into the sport...so to not like someone cuz they cultivate some alter ego or naturally like to trash talk is one thing but it will never be a "true" martial arts contest in that sense. They have those martial arts displays where they break boards and stuff.

But Silva got heated and went off it happens. He showed his class at the end of the fight when he congratulated Sonnen for the fight and said that even though he said all that crap Brazil still loved him or something to that effect...I had been drinking a few and can't remember exactly how he phrased it so sue me. But you get the point. Sonnen also congratulated Silva. Sonnen uses his mouth to make him more money. You know how many more people bought that fight to see if he could beat Silva after all that trash talk and hype. Sadly it didn't live up to the hype of the first one but that is not the point. Silva and the UFC profited off of Sonnen's ability to trash talk and to do it quite well.

but but but but but but but I waxed on and waxed off!

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Just sayin', I'd rather them prove it with their fists and grappling ability than their flapping gums.

It's gonna get so played out. It's like when beef starts up at boxing weigh-ins. It's so staged. You know it's acting. Same with the UFC hype. Same with WWE "back stage interviews".

If all that crap, all that fluff, appeals to you, then go ahead and watch it for that. I watch it for what goes on in the ring. If a fighter needs to use trash talk to get in someone's head, it's to compensate for their shortcomings elsewhere. True champs don't need to talk. The belt around their waist says everything.

Fighters do all manner of things to try and intimidate their opponents, and it's all circus crap. Doing cartwheels around the ring, not fist-bumping, flexing. Whatever. Put up or shut up.

I am not saying I like all of it. But it happens for a reason...at least some of the time. Mental Warfare if done correctly. The staged WWE crap can :gtfo2:

It would seem the consensus is that we all recognize its not real trash talk, but something to raise more money to get the lower iq people to pay to see it. We all put up with it, because it generally is a fantastic sport with fantastic participants. Its like have a fantastic sports car with only one cupholder.:tiphat:

I especially hate when two fighters jaw at each other and the fight ends up being a real stinker, like Rampage/Rashad.

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That's the worst. Such a huge letdown.

There is always an exception to the rule. Rampage is done and it will be interesting to see if Rashad makes the move to middleweight.

If he is successful and wins one or two fights in middleweight. We could see a Silva/Evans fight if Silva isnt retired by then.

It's no exception. Most of the TUF series center around smacktalking coaches. Serra vs. Hughes would have been epic, had Serra not gotten hurt. Huge build-up, huge hype, nothing great came of it. There haven't been many truly epic fights between TUF coaches. The Kos/GSP fight was over in the first round.

Read that Rampage and Sonnen had some words exchanged between them. That might be an interesting fight. It would have tons of trash talking fight, but will probably end up like Rampage vs Evans.

Looks like we never discussed the UFC 149 results, so let's do it now. The Lombard vs Boetsch fight was a HUGE disappointment. I was expecting an exciting stand up war and got nothing. Neither of them deserve to even be close to a title shot right now, Silva would destroy them. Barao vs Faber was a good tactical fight and went kind of like I expected. I think Cruz vs Barao will be a good fight to watch. Will be interesting to see how Barao deals with the quickness and awkward movements of Cruz.

In other news, it seems like Anderson Silva's camp is calling for a catchweight fight with GSP. I would love to see this fight and I would have Silva winning it by KO/TKO.

yeah it sucked all around except for the jimmo KO that was awesome made the dude look like popeye lol.. glad i didnt pay for it

i read the GSP news too... i think of course its a great dream match up. but in the same sentence they talked about franklin 3 so im betting if he beats le it might be that fight first.


i thought the biggest news of the week was cromier is gonna fight frank mir

Yeah I almost forgot about the Cormier vs Mir fight. :p

I'd want GSP to take Silva out in some form or fashion. He has a way to pick people apart but he can't finish people. To beat Silva you have to take the fight to him fast and aggressive and get him on the ground.

As a Silva fan boy I certainly hope that won't happen :p

GSP will slow down a bit from gaining weight so might not be in his best form. I think his inability to finish fights will kill him in this one. Silva just needs one opportunity to finish the fight and he will find it whether it's in the first round or fifth. Silva will use his reach advantage to outside GSP and finish him. I think GSP won't start the fight like Sonnen did. He will take some time to test hos striking a bit early in the fight. I am excited to see how he does against GSP's takedowns though.

I don't think he'd be slow. He said himself if he had to gain weight it would be pure muscle. Only time tells.

Did you see him in the fight against Shields? He tried putting on a little bit of weight for that one and he looked terrible in that fight.

I'm excited for the fights tomorrow. Whoever wins most impressively in the main event and co-main event will get the next shot at the LHW title. I'm predicting that Shogun will easily handle Vera and Machida will get the win over Bader, but Shogun will walk away with the title shot. The odds seem to be stacked in his favor. I would like to see him next against Jones anyway (assuming Jones gets past Hendo) and hopefully try a different strategy this time.

i dunno all 4 people got beaten down bad by jones already... no disrespect to vera but i cant see how the hell he got back in title contention when the only reason he is still in the UFC is thiago silva had fake piss and he then won a decision on a facebook card fight.. bader is becoming a gatekeeper at this point machida is still legit but after seeing him choked and dropped like garbage i need a year or so to erase that out of my head before a rematch with jones.. machida should fight evans next in a rematch so rashad can try to get some dignity back from that horrible freeze frame KO pic.

and shogun he is an unknown he beat forrest who didnt even show up for the fight mentally and had fight of the year with hendo but it was grueling test of will from two veterans still not convincing the jones rematch would be any different..

i would rather see Gustafsson fight jones over retreading the 4 guys he just beat

now if dan some how KTFO jones then i take that all back as those 4 guys make different match ups vs dan. i could see shogun hendo II for the belt..but a hell of a lot has to happen for that to become reality

Actually I'd like to see Gustafsson fight whoever does the best from tomorrow night and then have the winner of that fight go against Jones. I have no idea how Vera got into title contention either. I think he'd have to pull of a pretty amazing upset to get it though. I think Gustaffson needs to beat at least one or two top 5 LHW's before getting a title shot.

UFC 149 is the card of that we do not speak of...First rule of UFC 149 you do not speak of UFC 149.

On to Saturday. My take on the Co main and Main events are this. I really want to see how Bader does against Machida. I think one of these guys will be who faces Jones (or Hendo if he lands an H Bomb) for the title next. I would like to see Bader have another shot cuz he faced Jones early in his career. I think he will be smarter in his attacks this time around if he gets another crack at Jones. I dont see anyone outstriking him in this weight class much like Silva so only way to win is to grind one out on the ground. That is if you can take Jones down.

Now for the Rua vs Vera fight. Not a fan of Vera and much like the fans got it changed from this fight alone determining the next contender I do not see where Dana thought Vera would be a good choice if he won to fight Jones on his career record alone. I am guessing he thought Rua would win easily and get his rematch. I think Rua has a chance to demolish Vera in order to get his shot.

I too want AG to get his shot. Although I think it would be throwing him to the sharks right now. AG needs to fight the Machidas, Ruas, Baders, etc to see if he can hang in the upper echelon of talent in the LHW class. Give him 2 more fights against some of these guys and if he is successful give him a title shot.

Yeah with the rest of the top 5 occupied with fights already, I'd put him up against Evans to see how he does. If he wins then maybe he should get the title shot after the winner of tomorrow's fights. Or maybe give him one more fight after that.

yeah you know i agree i think he is a bit unproven just yet not to mention he lost to phil davis..but that was early on so he certainly had improved... but im saying out of 4 retreads from a fans point of view..i would vote to see him.

but having an eliminator is an even better idea and i think that applies to the 185 title shot too

i think the winner of stann bisping needs to fight weidman before silva

thats one thing i like about bellator instead of a subjective this guy fights for the title next its tournamant style... i obviously dont think UFC needs to be straight tournament but having a semi final type eliminator when you get to title contention fight makes sense over struggling to narrow down a pool or 3-4 guys for a shot