:iagree: there would be so much BS and screaming, F1 is way too politically for it to work

Formula 1: FIA changes regulations in attempt to combat porpoising amid driver safety concerns
The FIA has introduced new regulations for Formula 1 teams after several drivers, including Lewis Hamilton, were left in pain following last weekend's Azerbaijan GP; watch the Canadian GP live all weekend on Sky Sports, with the race starting at 7pm on Sunday

Last Updated: 16/06/22 6:51pm

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...afety-concerns

The FIA has introduced new measures in an attempt to combat 'porpoising' amid concerns over Formula 1 drivers' safety, ahead of this weekend's Canadian GP.

The severe bouncing of cars has been an unexpected issue following the introduction of F1's all-new design regulations for 2022, with Mercedes one of the teams worst impacted.

Lewis Hamilton has complained about the problem throughout the season, but with the bumpy Baku street circuit at last weekend's Azerbaijan GP exacerbating the issue and leaving the seven-time world champion in severe pain after the race, F1's rule-making body has taken action.



The technical directive issued by the FIA will force teams struggling with porpoising to alter the setup of their car to protect their drivers, with a limit on the level of "vertical oscillations" being introduced.


The FIA statement said: "Following the eighth round of this year's FIA Formula One World Championship, during which the phenomenon of aerodynamic oscillations ("porpoising") of the new generation of Formula 1 cars, and the effect of this during and after the race on the physical condition of the drivers was once again visible, the FIA, as the governing body of the sport, has decided that, in the interests of the safety, it is necessary to intervene to require that the teams make the necessary adjustments to reduce or to eliminate this phenomenon."

The FIA added that it would also begin an investigation - in consultation with teams - as to how to reduce porpoising in the "medium term".

It was also explained the decision was influenced by concerns over the pain and distraction caused by porpoising potentially distracting drivers and causing high-speed crashes.


Hamilton, along with Mercedes team-mate George Russell and team principal Toto Wolff, had been speaking of safety concerns since the early stages of the season, but with more cars suffering in Baku, almost universal support came from around the paddock.

Several other drivers spoke out, with McLaren's Daniel Ricciardo insisting he was ready to help push through changes to protect his rivals.

However, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner questioned the authenticity of Mercedes' complaints in Baku, claiming the Silver Arrows were trying to force a change in regulations that would help them close the gap on their rivals following a hugely disappointing start to the campaign.

Mercedes have failed to compete with the pace of Red Bull and Ferrari, with porpoising and bouncing repeatedly hampering the eight-time reigning constructors' champions.


Hamilton has failed to finish on the podium since the opening race of the season, and is already 88 points behind world championship leader Max Verstappen.


"I don't think this helps, in the short-term, Lewis Hamilton at all," Slater said.

"What they're saying is that you must not allow your car to vibrate like this.



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"Teams that don't have a problem with it won't have to make any changes. Teams like Mercedes, whose car bounces up and down, are effectively going to have to raise the height of the car, that will stop the bouncing and it will also slow the car down.

Congratulations to Ferrari for finishing the race.

That's all I got.

........meanwhile Checko over in RedBull on lap 9....:mad:

Ferrari need more top speed and better pit stops. RedBull is far and away the better all round operation for now.

While Ferrari has pulled off some amazing pit stops this year, they fail when consistency is considered. And (as always), in strategy. I really thought that after the first race, they had their sh!t together. But it was all a dream - they accidentally stumbled into the brief appearance of a team that knew what it was doing. Then *poof*, they woke up.

Reliability is going to be the decider for this season. With all teams that matter essentially hitting the budget caps, I doubt that under the current policy we will see any significant change in the standings for the second half of the season. FIA will have to relax the cap, or nobody will tune in after the break.

Imposing a spending limit on all teams of essentially what Williams spent in 2019, in a year where a new car was developed, was a really stupid idea.

I like Montreal - there's always something that makes it interesting. All qualifying should be held in the rain from now on. That's my rule. :icon17:

Hey, 58 gear changes a lap times 70 laps. On a Sunday. If I were an F1 gearbox, I'd have thrown in the towel too! :rofl2:

The sport thinks its strength is conserving the lower tier teams. No its about racing and the cost cap is a hindrance not a help. It needs to go up to allow season long development. Its not an accounting mission and not racing. Its sad and stupid. You can follow but not pass and DRS trains are worse than last season it appears!

Agreed. I also think this "raise the car to save the drivers" is a load of crap. Mercedes completely F'd their design up, the drivers are paying for it, and they're using the "everyone else is suffering so raise the min height" as an excuse to not completely get blown out of the constructors and world championship. It's such crap. I'm with Horner.... develop your car, or raise your own ride height and figure out how to make it faster. Why does the FiA need to tell a 7x champion and 8x constructors winning team in the hybrid era to do this? :mad:

Furthermore............ Silverstone should be entertaining. Seems like a lot of teams are bringing real big upgrades to the weekend. Should be entertaining to see. :driving:

For some those are the final MAJOR upgrades lol. The accountant trophy season will proceed after lol. :happydance::happydance:

All this discussion and all the BS and politics currently... Don't know if this is worse than last year....

Comments on the race:
Max - was in another league, think it was just amazing to watch especially the last 10 laps.

Ferrari - I think its over, unless they can get more straight line speed.

Alpine - don't get stuck behind an Alpine - amazing how slipper this car is..

KMag - my son and I just currently believe he did it again. I understand, but really, there was no way he was going to hold that against a MB. As to his complaint about getting the meatball, he might be right, Hamilton did run in a race with half a wing and the only thing was the piece in question to not fall off.

LeClair - impressed on how he came up from the back

Saniz - was on it in the race, but the Ferrari just was missing a bit.

MSC - heartbreak after doing so well, would have been nice to see if he was in the points.

DRS Trains, oh my, this is getting bad, almost every race, and nobody can do anything for some time....

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I feel sorry for the race officials. With all the drama going on with the cars they haven't really been able to get in on the action yet this year.

I have found it interesting this year to see how much the track layout affects some cars more than others. Kudos to Red Bull for putting together such a strong car out of the gate. Clearly the cap is a problem and needs to just go away.

Ferrari miraculously didn't screw this one up.
Was hoping LeWing could net a LeWin with the handicap he picked up early on, but I'll take that.

Scary one for Zhou.

That was an exciting race. Glad it was not Max just flying off with the rest of it......just a mid pack scramble. Glad Zhou is ok.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/we...h-gp/10332702/

Wedged AlphaTauri endplate wrecked Verstappen’s British GP

Max Verstappen’s British Grand Prix hopes were wrecked by a front wing endplate from Red Bull’s sister Formula 1 team AlphaTauri getting stuck under his floor and ruining his aerodynamics.

Television footage had shown him hitting a part from Charles Leclerc’s Ferrari early on in the race, and it was thought that it could have been related to that.

However, it was only after the grand prix that Red Bull discovered the problem had actually been caused by the endplate from an AlphaTauri front wing getting embedded underneath the Dutchman's RB18.

The part had been ripped off after AlphaTauri team-mates Yuki Tsunoda and Pierre Gasly collided on lap 11, wrecking their own squad’s hope of points.

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner, who showed reporters later on a photo of Verstappen in the post-race debrief holding the endplate, reckoned that the disruption to his car’s airflow was costing Verstappen about 20 percent of his peak downforce.

“We didn't have a puncture,” explained Horner, reflecting on Verstappen’s problem.

“He was reporting, because it was so bad, that it felt like a puncture. But basically on lap 11, he hit a piece of debris which was an AlphaTauri part from an incident that they had.

“So he's then done the race with a modified floor that had a piece of an AlphaTauri endplate stuck under the bottom of the car. It stayed in there and got stuck and wedged itself almost like a blockage.”

Sad though, that an Alfa Romeo is faster on its back than rubber side down!

Glad everyone was OK. That was a bit too scary for my liking. With a full race load of fuel and the car/driver being wedged like that for 20 minutes, things could easily have been a whole lot worse!

Even the catch fence looked like it barely held. There might be some permanent brown stains on the spectator seating immediately behind where the car came to rest!

Interesting, as from the camera angle it really looked like the left rear tire went down considerably and suddenly (compared to his right rear), then more or less stayed where it was.

Alpha Tauri ought to get points for style on that synchronized spin, though! That was classic. Thought I was on the wrong channel and "team drifting" came on!

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...tion/10333441/

F1 teams set to challenge FIA’s porpoising intervention

The FIA’s plan to enforce a porpoising metric and clamp down on flexi floor tricks looks set to face a challenge in this week’s Formula 1 commission meeting.



By: Jonathan Noble
Jul 5, 2022, 4:55 PM

Ahead of the Austrian Grand Prix at the Red Bull Ring, F1 teams , Formula One Management and the FIA will meet to discuss a number of burning topics that are being put forward for action.

As well as the discussions to involve the inflation impact on the cost cap and the latest on the 2026 F1 engine regulations, it now looks certain that the issue of the FIA’s intervention on porpoising will be brought up.

It is understood that a number of teams are not happy about the approach of the governing body on the matter, with two Technical Directives having been sent out on the matter.

A number of teams argue that there is no need for the governing body to step in on cars bouncing.

Furthermore, some squads are unhappy that there is scope for the FIA to influence how teams set up their cars when the sport has always been about maximum performance.

As one team boss said: “What will be next? A wet track metric that forces us to change from slicks to inters when a certain amount of rain has fallen?”

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner thinks it important that the whole situation regarding the FIA’s intervention is talked about in a transparent manner.

“I think the process is the thing to discuss,” he said.

“TDs shouldn't be regulatory changes, there is a governance and a process for that. So I think we just need to talk through exactly why [they have been issued].

“It didn't look like there was a lot of porpoising in this race [the British GP]. So teams are sorting it out. I don't feel it needs the intervention of a TD.”


Even the Mercedes team, which has suffered badly from porpoising and would have broken the oscillation metric if it had been in place at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, is not sure the FIA needs to be too involved.

Asked about the metric plan, trackside engineering director Andrew Shovlin said: “It wouldn't be a very good metric if we weren't over it in Baku and I think we were probably the one case that they could use it to sort of calibrate. In Montreal, we were in a sensible place.


“But the point that we've made to the FIA, and we're very supportive of their efforts, is that we will fix these problems for our own performance.

"So, to be honest, the metric that the FIA is doing is not a particular distraction to us.

“We are sincerely hoping that whatever they come up with, we don't trigger it and we just run the car how we want to, because that's exactly what we're trying to do for lap time.”

One of the knock-on consequences of the FIA’s analysis on porpoising is a move to clamp down on tricks that some teams are believed to have done with flexible floors.

Amid suspicions that some cars feature more flexible floors and planks that allow them to be run closer to the ground for extra performance, the FIA plans to tighten up its policing of the matter from the French Grand Prix.

Horner thinks, however, that the governing body cannot just simply step in to regulations if teams having found clever interpretations.

“The regulations need to be black and white,” he said. “Otherwise I think we end up with encyclopedias that sometimes are way too complicated.

“And there's no such thing as the intent of the regulations either: it is a binary thing. So I think with the Commission meeting: there's many things to discuss on the agenda, and maybe two hours won't quite be enough.”

I'm a little biased, but I feel like Sainz cost LeClerc a potential battle with Max today.

But I get that Sainz has also had fight on his hands too these last few races. It's a survival game at Ferrari, not so much between the drivers. Both drivers literally have to avoid losing all the time. Not trying to win, but trying not to lose.

Perez was a gangster.

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I agree, if Ferrari wants a Champion, they need to have team orders, or else Max is just going to walk away with it, if he hasn't already

Finish watching the sprint and as I commented above.
I guess my take away is how well the Haas team did. Yea Perez got around them, which is expected. But how they gave Hamilton so much trouble. To me it was a bit surprising.

Haas, has not done an upgrade and there cars on On or Off depending on the track...
I also think Mick to a good job of driving today, I hope he has taken a step forward...

Mercedes is a very drag filled design aero wise. They are still struggling on the straights. The Ferrari powered cars are cleaner and faster aero wise + power.

Unless Ferrari jump Max - and I dont care if its Carlos or Charles, Max will manage this and win. Tire wear could be a factor but if Max is in the lead and survives the first 5 laps........its over and so might be the title chase LOL. :)

With LeClerc leading I was expecting something to go wrong. I'm sadly surprised the race was able to stick for him.
Yet of course, Ferrari is subject to the law of averages with Sainz's car literally catching fire. Hope they're ahead of that before it happens again or to LeClerc.

But man what got into Mick...

Ferrari needs to tell its drivers that they can pass one another with DRS on the straights and no defending against each other if that is going to happen, but also no dive bombing corners or trying to go around the outside of one another - that just costs time and tires, and risks DNF-ing both cars. Don't fight your teammate (for or against a pass), but if you're truly faster then you'll be in position and have the DRS to get the job done. Period. How hard can that be (to explain to them, or to understand).

If that means they can tow and get DRS off one another, then great. But what it really means is that they will have two cars in the fight when and where they need it. Mechanical issues notwithstanding, of course. That hurt!

It shows how important consistency is in a long championship series, when Mercedes is in a solid third place and only 66 points behind Ferrari. Not even sure why the other teams bother to keep showing up! McLaren and Alpine are tied for 4th but at only 81 points a piece at the halfway point of the series - neither one have been consistent this year, having good races and dismal ones.

Good for Schumacher - In Silverstone he was weaving but this time, from what I saw, he actually defended properly and was decently impressive. Better than I expected. I think he's having fun now. And the improved Ferrari 2022 engine (when it finishes a race) has buoyed both Haas and Alfa Romeo into the middle of the pack.

My biggest take away from the race was how well HAAS did, Mick drove a good race. Found out that KMAG was having engine problems, from what I understand, he had suspected engine problems starting on lap 31. So HAAS was lucky to get both cars home and in the points.

Biggest weakest is still the Ferrari engine...

It was a good race to watch, enjoyed it....

I need video of Gunther calling Gene asap!

I guess Danny Ricciardo needs to make some inroads in terms of personal performance, or dust off his resume.

Colton Herta to test for McLaren in last year's car...

https://the-race.com/formula-1/herta...eid=46a8bd0fc0

I have a suspicion the RedBull floor has already been changed and they are suffering. Ferrari have admitted they will need to change theirs. Flexing..................by SPA there will be new tests.

RedBull are at a mysterious loss as to explain their tire degradation. Really??????

Good point! Never considered that possibility.
This, after Horner insisted that there was nothing wrong with their floor, too! So you just had to know it was illegal. LOL.

I do wonder if it wouldn't be better/safer if they just allowed all teams to copy this design for the balance of the year (technology sharing - maybe give RBR and Ferrari some credit toward their cost cap for having developed the idea and making it available for other teams) - it would probably resolve the safety / driver health issue from porpoising for most teams that the FIA insist gets addressed. Just make it illegal for 2023 so teams can adjust.

It certainly made for better racing. People were actually talking about action on the track, not about drivers being shaken not stirred. AND it will save a fortune in future dental claims for driver benefits (as their teeth get shaken ouf of their heads)!!!

Sure looks like it. If Ferrari drops back, we will all know how Redbull and Ferrari got the advantage.

Tsunoda confirmed crazy person

Hi Ferrari and RedBull lol :)


https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-w...tion-breaches/

French GP weekend is here!! More Ferrari vs RedBull! Will Mercedes actually show enough improvement to finally challenge at the front???

That race went well for Hamilton.

race was fun to watch, Leclerc had an opps, this which he could not afford to do...
Merc's were on pace, But Perez and the Red Bull, not to his liking, which causes problems.
HAAS, can't catch a break.... Kmag start was great
It was fun watching Sainz move up the field...
Mid-Field is fun to watch
Max and Leclerc that was fun to watch, until Leclerc mistake..
all and all it was a fun race to watch

Lots of pace and plenty of wheel to wheel made for an exciting weekend.

Charlie went down and the Men in Red's confidence in Plan B went right out the f***** window! Sainz drove like a mad man during both stints from behind. Charlie has the best start of the last two years and his *** end goes out all by his lonesome.....

The podiums are there if all pieces (car, driver, strat) can come together for more than one race at a time. Brutal to watch and listen to the frustrations from the drivers and team management at times.

Horner and RB hands down best strategists on the grid.

My lady was glad to see McLaren wake the hell up and come to race.

Vettel's end to the race was great. I interpreted it as him letting Stroll know he was on his *** and maybe didn't deserve the point.

K Mag was making moves. Was bummed he didn't make it through.

Latifi spin on the bingo card!

Just me, or was that the best French GP in forever?

Coincidence, or was it the new cars that made the difference?