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abm89 11-03-2021 10:38 AM

That's a killer lens you have there. Whenever i'm done spending a ton of money on car hobbies, I'll pick up a few more lenses for my camera.

DLSTR 11-03-2021 10:54 AM

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ne...wolff/6740483/

New manufacturers shouldn’t get free pass to win, says Wolff
By:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 3, 2021, 5:28 AM
Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff says new manufacturers should not be given a free pass to guaranteed success in Formula 1 as talks continue about future engine rules.
New manufacturers shouldn’t get free pass to win, says Wolff

F1 chiefs and the FIA are in detailed discussions with grand prix racing’s current manufacturers about new power unit regulations from 2026.

While the sport plans to keep the turbo hybrid concept, it is likely that the complicated and expensive MGU-H will be abandoned to prevent it acting as a deterrent to new entrants.

But while the Volkswagen Group is favourite to make the jump in to F1, there still remain some outstanding issues that divide the current car makers and those outside.

As previously reported, Porsche, part of the Volkswagen Group has stated that factors required for the manufacturer to join F1 are "coming true", but it cannot "wait too long" to make its final decision.

The idea of giving new entrants a helping hand by not being restricted in budget or development limits has not received universal support.

Plus there is disagreement over whether Red Bull should be classified as a new manufacturer amid its plans to take over the Honda engine project.

While current teams like Mercedes are willing to make concessions to get new car makers on board, Wolff is clear that there are limits as to how much accommodation should be given.

And he is adamant that, while some help should be offered to ensure newcomers are not consigned to poor performance, he thinks it essential that success in F1 is hard earned and not a given.

“I think it's great that we have strong OEMs that are showing an interest in coming to the sport,” he said. “Obviously, none of these major car companies wants to come in and face a situation that they are highly uncompetitive, and therefore we need to have systems in place that mitigate those very big risks.

“But, on the other side, F1 is the Champions’ League, and nobody can expect to enter the Champions' League for the first time and be straight into the final and go home with the big trophy.

“We've been there since a long time, we've invested lots of money, sweat and blood and terrible results in order to get us where we are.

“Look at Mercedes' history in the first three years of this being a works team. Look at the terrible Honda years that they faced, or the Renault days. All of us had to fight his way up to eventually win races and championships. So it's a fine balance that we need to get right to attract newcomers as power unit manufacturers.”


Wolff believes that the mistake previous manufacturers who quit F1 have made is in not giving their projects enough time to be successful.

“I think everybody recognises that you cannot just come and conquer, but you need to give it time,” he explained. “And that is what in the past many OEMs have just misunderstood.

“When you look at Toyota, Honda and BMW as near past experiences, all the money, all the resource is irrelevant if you don't give the project enough time.

“I think everybody who joins F1 as a team or as a power unit manufacturer needs to understand this. It needs time. And that makes the sport so attractive: that it is just not easy to win.”

Hotrodz 11-03-2021 05:23 PM

That part of F1 needs to remain the same. Hard to get the top and hard to stay at the top!

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axmea? 11-04-2021 01:36 AM

Last one: The rest
 
Here's the rest. I've got long reach peek shots into their garages and some post qualifying FIA inspection shots. Maybe next time.


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DLSTR 11-06-2021 09:24 AM

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/me...eding/6751590/

Mercedes fears over need for Hamilton F1 engine penalty receding
By: Jonathan Noble
Nov 6, 2021, 7:20 AM
Mercedes says fears about Lewis Hamilton definitely needing to take another Formula 1 engine change penalty this year are fading, amid confidence it has now “solved” its main reliability concern.

But speaking at the Mexican Grand Prix, Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff said that the team was confident it would not need to make a change this weekend – and it was feeling better that it could avoid a penalty entirely before the end of the season.

“I think we're feeling more robust about one particular issue that seems to be solved,” he explained.

Wolff said that with overtaking so hard in F1, Mercedes was especially reluctant to go for an engine change if it could be avoided.

“I think it's never right to take a penalty, because these days it's so difficult to overtake,” he said.

“You can see that Valtteri was absolutely dominant in Turkey, but [in the USA] you just get stuck in traffic with the penalty.

“So we're taking it on the fly. We're deciding, do we need the penalty or are we not needing a penalty? And here certainly we won't take one.

“And maybe we don't need any until the end of the season. That is really something that is being discussed.”

Ventruck 11-06-2021 06:25 PM

Pictures at COTA are awesome.

Not thrilled about today's results, but tomorrow is a new day.

DLSTR 11-06-2021 07:41 PM

Surprising qualy. I was happy. Not all RedBull all the time. Lets have a race!

abm89 11-06-2021 08:37 PM

Red Bull's lack of pace in Mexico was shocking. If this carries over to the race pace, this is not good for them going forward. Mercedes is notoriously lack-luster in Mexico.

DLSTR 11-07-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by abm89 (Post 4012922)
Red Bull's lack of pace in Mexico was shocking. If this carries over to the race pace, this is not good for them going forward. Mercedes is notoriously lack-luster in Mexico.

Mercedes have refined their motor to accomodate more altitude. I would say its on par now with Honda and easily. RedBull were never quicker in Q3 even after they aborted their last effort because one car moving out of the way was hard to deal with LOL!!

The race pace for Mercedes and RedBull is virtually even. Temps were hotter yesterday on track. Tire wear will be key but its not clear who has the real advantage except Mercedes are up to 12kmh faster on the straight!

axmea? 11-07-2021 07:05 PM

We , along with the Mercs were made to believe they had what it took to win with a clean qualifying and a 1 - 2 lockout.
In the end, it was Red Bull's race to lose and they showed us who had the pace. The data showed RB were faster AND they nailed the details this weekend. Set up, fixing the wing damage, both pit stops, and both driver's clean run to the finish got them virtually even with Merc in constructors and further ahead in the driver's championship. Bottas left a gap and paid the price.

ZCanadian 11-07-2021 08:39 PM

Lewis blinked in T1, and it may have cost him the race. But Red Bull has done better at high altitude tracks for years, so I doubt he could have kept the leas anyhow.
Had Lewis not conceded the corner, it would very likely have been two DNFs anyway.

Did anyone see Gasly at all in the coverage? Gets 4th but I don’t know if he even saw another car after the first few laps.

Good race for Ferrari, and they made good inroads on McLaren in this one. Probably won’t stick. Pit stops were even good (which is rare for them).

Thrilled for Checo. Sucks to be Bottas.

Mercedes lead in the constructors is down to one point. Making for the best season in years!

Hotrodz 11-07-2021 09:37 PM

The roles have been reversed this as RB has the fastest car on the track. It would have not mattered if Lewis or Bottas would have had the lead as the RB was way to fast to hold off. Congratulations to Max, Checo and RB.

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abm89 11-08-2021 12:22 PM

Red Bull Crisis diffused! haha. They definitely had something wrong with their wings on Saturday, but they fixed it and it looks like it helped with positioning on the Sunday start. I don't know wtf VB was doing, and I'm sure Lewis thought the same thing as Max yeeted the car around the outside. He was way too careful going into that corner, to the point where I would have f-ing sent it. Honestly, this is damage limitation for Mercedes as i'm sure their original plans didn't have them winning this race. P2 was more that adequate for the car they brought to the race. They proved they still suck in Mexico lol.

I'm glad Checo is now up-to-speed in that car. He's proven to be the correct choice for that second car, bringing his setup more to his style, something an EXPERIENCED driver knows how to do. Other than his tense battle with Lewis, it was kind of a snooze fest. Lots of coverage looking at the back of Danny's rear wing lmao.

4 races to go, and no more development. This should be interesting, especially since Mercedes has solved their engine problem. cooling will be critical in these next locations.

axmea? 11-09-2021 03:22 AM

This is so good for the sport
 
They should make it happen. F1 with Porsche in it makes the world a better place. Competition is good for business.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-m...urs-intensify/

ZCanadian 11-09-2021 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abm89 (Post 4013013)
... I don't know wtf VB was doing, and I'm sure Lewis thought the same thing as Max yeeted the car around the outside. He was way too careful going into that corner, to the point where I would have f-ing sent it. ...

Bottas perpetually pussyfoots around the first corner of a race. Might as well save his tires in qualifying, because he almost never keeps pole position past T1 anyway!

abm89 11-09-2021 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 4013054)
They should make it happen. F1 with Porsche in it makes the world a better place. Competition is good for business.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/the-m...urs-intensify/

The MGU-H has always been the POS part of the power units since 2014. I won't be sad to see it go.

abm89 11-09-2021 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZCanadian (Post 4013094)
Bottas perpetually pussyfoots around the first corner of a race. Might as well save his tires in qualifying, because he almost never keeps pole position past T1 anyway!

I don't know why I still think he can do better. Ever since Monza 2020, where he couldn't fight through the field, but Lewis got a penalty and still finished ahead... That just proved to me someone else needed that seat.

Like, how are you going to have the opportunity to race in what is one of the fastest (if not outright) F1 cars of all time, and come P3 in the driver's championship? Who even does that?

Hotrodz 11-09-2021 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abm89 (Post 4013102)
I don't know why I still think he can do better. Ever since Monza 2020, where he couldn't fight through the field, but Lewis got a penalty and still finished ahead... That just proved to me someone else needed that seat.

Like, how are you going to have the opportunity to race in what is one of the fastest (if not outright) F1 cars of all time, and come P3 in the driver's championship? Who even does that?

I have to agree. Bottas was fine when RB struggled with pace and Max didn't have a good wingman, but now RB has pace in both cars and because Bottas can't keep pace with Checo, Lewis has to fight off two superior RB cars. Lewis is fighting with one arm behind his back. Also Bottas's inability to score points has put the constructors title in significant jeopardy for MB.

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DLSTR 11-11-2021 07:34 AM

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fe...urers/6769188/

Ferrari unsure on concessions for potential new F1 manufacturers
By: Luke Smith
Nov 11, 2021, 4:20 AM
Ferrari Formula 1 chief Mattia Binotto is unsure concessions should be given to potential new power unit manufacturers amid continued interest from Volkswagen Group brands Porsche and Audi.

F1 stakeholders have been in talks for a number of months about what the next generation of power units will look like upon their planned introduction in 2026, agreeing on a removal of the MGU-H.

It has led to interest from VW brands Porsche and Audi, with discussions continuing over potential concessions to ensure that any incoming manufacturers are not uncompetitive against rivals who have more experience with the existing turbo hybrids.


Ferrari F1 boss Binotto acknowledged that while any newcomer would “need to start from scratch” and that there could be extra allowance for CapEx investments, he did not feel this should also apply to the operational side.

“On other resources like dyno hours or OpEx, I’m not too sure [about concessions],” said Binotto.

“If you are a newcomer, you’ve got an advantage on the fact that you are only focused on the new development, while we as current manufacturers need to split our effort into the current running operations and what will be the new one.

“I think that removing the MGU-H, which has been agreed, implies that it’s a brand new project for everybody.

“So it’s starting from scratch for everybody, and I don’t feel that they’ve got a disadvantage.

“I think they’ve got skills on renewable fuel. They’ve got skills on electrical. I’m not too sure they are lacking the competencies to challenge the current manufacturers.”

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Porsche already has a presence in Formula E, and Binotto argues that it shouldn't be given a leg-up due to existing competencies


Newly-appointed Porsche vice-president of motorsport, Thomas Laudenbach, recently said that conditions for an F1 entry were “coming true”, but warned it cannot “wait too long” to decide on a potential entry.

Porsche has been weighing up involvement in F1 for a number of years, and even went as far as beginning an engine project for 2021 before plans were scrapped to overhaul the regulations.

Current McLaren F1 boss Andreas Seidl previously oversaw Porsche’s motorsport interests, leading the brand’s successful return to the top tier of sportscar racing via the LMP1 programme that won the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 2015-17.

“My approach was always that even as a newcomer, for example when we entered Le Mans, I don’t want any concessions,” Seidl said.

“Because I want to compete with competitors on a level-playing field. I guess you have to accept when you are coming into a sport or other sports that it might also take time to build up this competitiveness.

“At the same time, I have no doubt with the timeline also that is in place, when we see regulations come into place, whoever would enter F1, there’s enough time and I guess also enough knowledge around and knowhow, these new manufacturers that they can be in a reasonably competitive position from the first year onwards.”

DLSTR 11-11-2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 4013105)
I have to agree. Bottas was fine when RB struggled with pace and Max didn't have a good wingman, but now RB has pace in both cars and because Bottas can't keep pace with Checo, Lewis has to fight off two superior RB cars. Lewis is fighting with one arm behind his back. Also Bottas's inability to score points has put the constructors title in significant jeopardy for MB.

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Bottas constrained by bump from Ricci - Mexico. Constant PU changes put him out of position when he was actually faster than LH and continues to be. For me the lack of pace from LH is the real issue. Since sommer break Bottas at one point was the highest points scoring driver.

Mercedes simply do not have the best car, under pressure and make mistakes at PitWall and on track. Max should have the title already to be honest. He would have enough points by Mexico. Baku etc cost Max the early title.

DLSTR 11-11-2021 11:47 AM

Guess he is tired of being forced to say how great Lance is LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

Aston Martin F1 boss Szafnauer set for shock switch to Alpine
By:

Jonathan Noble
Co-author:
Franco Nugnes
, Featured writer
Nov 11, 2021, 10:43 AM
Aston Martin team principal Otmar Szafnauer is poised for a surprise switch to the Alpine Formula 1 team as part of a management reshuffle, sources have revealed.
Aston Martin F1 boss Szafnauer set for shock switch to Alpine

abm89 11-11-2021 01:45 PM

Alpine has an upward trajectory, especially compared to Aston Martin. Who knows where everyone will be next year.

I'm thinking Ferrari Mercedes and RB will be at the top again. Mercedes sticking with low rake was likely a calculated move to gain better understanding with the new ground-effect regulations, as well as their variable-rate collapsing suspension (which some other teams have a version of). Ferrari's PU upgrades look good. I'm really interested to see how they fair on the aero side. RB usually nails the Aero and they have a good PU now, so they should be at or near the top.

I want McLaren to be there, but they have a history of goofing new regs. See 2009, 2014, 2017.

DLSTR 11-11-2021 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abm89 (Post 4013245)
Alpine has an upward trajectory, especially compared to Aston Martin. Who knows where everyone will be next year.

I'm thinking Ferrari Mercedes and RB will be at the top again. Mercedes sticking with low rake was likely a calculated move to gain better understanding with the new ground-effect regulations, as well as their variable-rate collapsing suspension (which some other teams have a version of). Ferrari's PU upgrades look good. I'm really interested to see how they fair on the aero side. RB usually nails the Aero and they have a good PU now, so they should be at or near the top.

I want McLaren to be there, but they have a history of goofing new regs. See 2009, 2014, 2017.

Certainly a rational prediction for next year. The question for me is which driver's adapt the best to a very different type F1 machine............

axmea? 11-11-2021 09:01 PM

Stat: Did you know that on the average, Lewis scored 10 points each time he raced at Interlagos? And of the 13 races he's been in Brazil, he only podiumed 5x. Huh.

Statsf1.com :)

DLSTR 11-12-2021 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 4013272)
Stat: Did you know that on the average, Lewis scored 10 points each time he raced at Interlagos? And of the 13 races he's been in Brazil, he only podiumed 5x. Huh.

Statsf1.com :)

"The more you know" lol :)

I personally do not like this circuit. Its a kart track and nothing more. They need a new circuit but that is not going to happen in Brazil in the near time.

ZCanadian 11-12-2021 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 4013307)
"The more you know" lol :)

I personally do not like this circuit. Its a kart track and nothing more. They need a new circuit but that is not going to happen in Brazil in the near time.

I thought that there was a new circuit in Rio in the works, but I lost track of that (pun intended). Did it fall through? They only had to displace a few hundred thousand squatters and use some vacant land from a military compound that might still contain unexploded ordinance. What could possibly go wrong???

abm89 11-12-2021 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 4013307)
"The more you know" lol :)

I personally do not like this circuit. Its a kart track and nothing more. They need a new circuit but that is not going to happen in Brazil in the near time.

Aw man, dislike! haha

This is one of my favorite circuits to race on in the sim. The track is fast, flowing, and has excellent rhythm.

DLSTR 11-12-2021 07:23 PM

F1 stewards adjourn Hamilton DRS rule break hearing at Brazilian GP
By:
Luke Smith
Nov 12, 2021, 8:05 PM
The Formula 1 race stewards in Brazil have adjourned the hearing over the technical breach by Mercedes on Lewis Hamilton’s car until the morning, awaiting further evidence.
F1 stewards adjourn Hamilton DRS rule break hearing at Brazilian GP

Hamilton topped qualifying at Interlagos on Friday afternoon, beating title rival Max Verstappen by four-tenths of a second at the end of Q3.

But FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer found in his post-session checks that the DRS (drag reduction system) on Hamilton’s Mercedes W12 car was not in compliance with the rules.

The gap between the two rear wing planes when DRS is open must not exceed 85mm per the FIA’s technical regulations, but the DRS on Hamilton’s Mercedes was found to go beyond this limit.

This put Hamilton at risk of being excluded from qualifying, with Mercedes being summoned for a hearing beginning at 7:15pm.

A lengthy wait followed before confirmation arrived just before 10pm in Sao Paulo that there would be no decision on Friday night.

An FIA spokesperson confirmed the hearing had been adjourned by the stewards “as they await further evidence that will not be available until the morning”.

This was followed by a bulletin from the stewards asking Bauer “to supervise the removal of the rear wing assembly of Car 44, and to impound this part under seal.”

It added: “Further, the Technical Delegate is to supervise the transition of Car 44 into overnight conditions, permitting only those actions needed to store the car.”
Pole man Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W12, Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes W12, and Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB16B, arrive in Parc Ferme after Qualifying

Pole man Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W12, Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes W12, and Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB16B, arrive in Parc Ferme after Qualifying



A video emerged on social media showing the DRS test being conducted on Hamilton’s rear wing as officials checked to see if the flap opens beyond the permitted 85mm margin.

A fan video from the grandstands also appeared to show Hamilton’s title rival, Max Verstappen, looking and briefly touching Hamilton’s rear wing after parking his car up at the end of qualifying.

The FIA confirmed during the wait that scrutineering had been completed on the rest of the field and found no other rule breaches, amid intrigue from fans about Verstappen’s rear wing during qualifying.

Should the stewards opt to exclude Hamilton’s car from qualifying, he would start Saturday’s sprint race from the rear of the field.

abm89 11-12-2021 07:41 PM

If max did indeed cause Lewis’s wing to go out of spec, that is going to cause a big stir. I’m sure that was not his intention seeing how he seems more of a straightforward guy.

I find it hard to believe that there’s a difference between Lewis’s and Valterri wing setup. They’ve been racing more or less the same set of wings for the whole year with the budget cuts and regulation freezes.

DLSTR 11-12-2021 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abm89 (Post 4013371)
If max did indeed cause Lewis’s wing to go out of spec, that is going to cause a big stir. I’m sure that was not his intention seeing how he seems more of a straightforward guy.

I find it hard to believe that there’s a difference between Lewis’s and Valterri wing setup. They’ve been racing more or less the same set of wings for the whole year with the budget cuts and regulation freezes.

Verstappen summoned after spotted touching Hamilton’s W12
https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-ve...lton-mercedes/
Date published: November 13 2021 - Henry Valantine



A video circulating on social media appeared to show Max Verstappen touching the rear wing of Lewis Hamilton’s Mercedes – and he subsequently received a summons from the FIA.

The video shows Verstappen climbing out of his car in parc ferme, checking his own rear wing flaps before moving over to the car of his title rival and seemingly comparing the two.

Mercedes remain under investigation by the FIA having been accused of contravening rules surrounding how far rear wings are allowed to open with DRS, with an 85mm limit – which the stewards believe Mercedes exceeded during qualifying for the Sao Paulo Grand Prix on Hamilton’s car.

You can see the clip of Verstappen by watching below:



Such an infringement would usually result in disqualification from the session, but almost four hours after Mercedes had been asked to report to the stewards, they adjourned the case against them until Saturday morning in Brazil as the FIA required more evidence to be able to reach an informed verdict.

Whether or not Mercedes have grounds to appeal against any accusation remains to be seen, but if Verstappen is found to have touched another car under parc ferme conditions, he can expect a punishment of his own, as this is strictly forbidden.

This could also form a part of Mercedes’ defence, as they could have reason to claim that the Red Bull driver tampered with their car – especially pertinent, considering the area he appeared to touch is the one under investigation by the FIA.

The FIA issued a summons which stated: ‘Max Verstappen and team representative are required to report to the Stewards at 9:30 on Saturday 13 November in relation to the incident below.

‘Alleged breach of Article 2.5.1 of the FIA International Sporting Code.’

Article 2.5.1 of the FIA International Sporting Code states: ‘Inside the Parc Fermé, only the officials assigned may enter. No operation, checking, tuning or repair is allowed unless authorised by the same officials or by the applicable regulations.’

axmea? 11-12-2021 11:19 PM

I've seen the video, yes he touched it but enough to change spec? No. If he brought some tools with him and a few minutes, maybe.

Oh the drama continues.

God-Speed 11-13-2021 07:11 AM

I've Got Nothing! :facepalm:

DLSTR 11-13-2021 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 4013395)
I've seen the video, yes he touched it but enough to change spec? No. If he brought some tools with him and a few minutes, maybe.

Oh the drama continues.

He broke FIA code. Clearly states do not touch other competitors cars. He did so after RedBull protested. Stupid boy Let the management sort this. The rule is clear and in the books. Max and probably other drivers should learn the rules of their series.

axmea? 11-13-2021 09:23 AM

Lol. The code is the code. He shouldn't have touched the car. The point I was stating is the insinuation that touching the wing the way he did manipulated or damaged Lewis' wing is absurd. Those wings can handle lots of load. Another page from the same book of tricks used by F1 teams to stir things up. I wouldn't be surprised if he is handed something and less surprised if they take a heavy handed approach.

danegrey 11-13-2021 10:03 AM

true to all, tired of all this BS, regardless, MB will argue, he touched and changed it... RB pulling out all the tricks, both MB rear wings should been pulled...

actually tired of all this crap...

God-Speed 11-13-2021 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 4013414)
He broke FIA code. Clearly states do not touch other competitors cars. He did so after RedBull protested. Stupid boy Let the management sort this. The rule is clear and in the books. Max and probably other drivers should learn the rules of their series.

Quote:

Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 4013418)
Lol. The code is the code. He shouldn't have touched the car. The point I was stating is the insinuation that touching the wing the way he did manipulated or damaged Lewis' wing is absurd. Those wings can handle lots of load. Another page from the same book of tricks used by F1 teams to stir things up. I wouldn't be surprised if he is handed something and less surprised if they take a heavy handed approach.

This has been the Code in all forms of Racing. If you don't own it or drive it, Don't Touch It!! :tup:

DLSTR 11-13-2021 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 4013418)
Lol. The code is the code. He shouldn't have touched the car. The point I was stating is the insinuation that touching the wing the way he did manipulated or damaged Lewis' wing is absurd. Those wings can handle lots of load. Another page from the same book of tricks used by F1 teams to stir things up. I wouldn't be surprised if he is handed something and less surprised if they take a heavy handed approach.

Max opened the political door by violating printed not negotiable code. He was an idiot lol

DLSTR 11-13-2021 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by God-Speed (Post 4013423)
This has been the Code in all forms of Racing. If you don't own it or drive it, Don't Touch It!! :tup:

SO true. RedBull had protested the rear wing area and he goes and touches. Toto is saying Danke Max! Nice one lol :tup::happydance:

axmea? 11-13-2021 10:51 AM

In the FIA, you touch, you pay, and it's €50k. There you have it. Fork it out Max.

abm89 11-13-2021 11:13 AM

Ever notice how Seb inspects other cars with his hands behind his back? Learn from the best!


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