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Inaugural Prayer????????????? what the...........

they got in god we trust on ther money why not have a prayer

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Originally Posted by shumby (Post 10854)

they got in god we trust on ther money why not have a prayer

In God we trust was first put on money in 1957. Time for a change?

In God We Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The motto In God We Trust was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the American Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout Christians throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize God on United States coins.

The same thing with the pledge of allegiance.

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The pledge was written in 1892 by the socialist Francis Bellamy, a cousin of the famous radical writer Edward Bellamy. He devised it for the popular magazine Youth's Companion on the occasion of the nation's first celebration of Columbus Day. Its wording omitted reference not only to God but also, interestingly, to the United States:

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

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The efforts to bring God into the state reached their peak during the so-called "religious revival" of the 1950s. It was a time when Norman Vincent Peale grafted religion onto the era's feel-good consumerism in his best-selling The Power of Positive Thinking; when Billy Graham rose to fame as a Red-baiter who warned that Americans would perish in a nuclear holocaust unless they embraced Jesus Christ; when Secretary of State John Foster Dulles believed that the United States should oppose communism not because the Soviet Union was a totalitarian regime but because its leaders were atheists.

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Originally Posted by BanningZ (Post 10772)

First off I'm bothered that we have an Inaugural Prayer. wtf? Seems weird that its not being questioned, that we are mixing church and state as the first act of a new administration.

Secondly. There were a lot of people during the civil rights movement of the 1950's, 60s, and early 70's that claimed it was their personal belief that Blacks were not equal to whites, or that blacks should not be integrated into public schools, and other public institutions. They said it wasn't discrimination, it was just their personal belief, but today we call those people bigots. This is not by any means an attack on anyone here and their beliefs but remember that as time moves on, people reflect of their past beliefs and reconsider them.
Gays and Lesbians are people that deserve every right that any straight people deserve.
Gays and Lesbians overwhelmingly voted for Obama, and to have a person like Warren, with such discriminatory beliefs make Obama's inaugural prayer is pretty insulting to the very people that helped get him elected.

just my two cents.

Edit: SnakeBitten, no you are not the Worst person in th woooorrrllldd! LOL. I think you made some very valid points. I actually would not have included my first part about inagural prayer if I had seen your post first. Opinions are like a55holes, we all have...etc. Good post. :tup:

Hehe...Thanks. BTW I always have a problem with the Gay struggle being equated with the Black struggle. Totally different things. But I understand why the Gays and every other minority group hitches a ride on the Black Struggle Civil Rights bandwagon. I just hope we dont see NAMBLA or beastiality lovers on that bandwagon. Dont know if they have enough room left in that long azzed name the Gays have for there foundation:ugh2:

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 10969)

ouch. Now don't go equating gays and pedophilia. Studies have shown that it is primarily striaght men that get into pedophilia because of previous Sex abuse when they were young.

I can agree that the civil rights comparison can be abused, just like the Nazi comparison (see: Godwin's law) but I truly believe in this case it is very valid. They are a respectable group of people vieing for the same rights that the rest of us have and wish to continue enjoying. Either way I like to play devils advocate, and can see both sides in this(within reason). i personally still see denying marriage to the gay community as discrimination.

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Originally Posted by BanningZ (Post 10974)

;)I was marely stating that anything that wasnt formerly the "norm" now has one blanket in the Gay and Lesbian transgender blah blah blah. That is one long name and I dont remember all of the "special" orientation groups they represent lol....All Im saying is it wont be long before other "special" orientation groups jump on the same bandwagon.

BTW I dont put much faith in studies. They are like dyno numbers. It can be made to show whatever it needs to to suit any agenda or popular social thinking. As an example NAMBLA did studies too with real psychologist etc and their results showed that the young men that were involved were well adjusted and benefited from that sort of deviant relationship.:rolleyes: See where Im coming from? I remember in the 90's when this Gay agenda really took off some scientists sympathetic to gays were finding gay fish, dogs etc:rolleyes: I think they are still looking for a gay gene in humans.

As a headcrack Marriage was institued by God. Homosexuality is directly opposed to Gods laws. So why should they be allowed to openly violate religious laws for there desires? Thats thumbing your nose at God and telling him to his face you know what. I guess God has no say in the matter lol. We really have become a Godless society. Ah well it was foretold. This is exactly why there should be a separation of church and state.

Anyway the reality is that it will happen. They will get Marriage. Its in keeping with the times we are living in that is if you belive in the good book.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 10994)

Done. <<<<Atheist. I respect your views. This argument gets nowhere at this point. Peace.

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Originally Posted by BanningZ (Post 10998)

Done. <<<<Atheist. I respect your views. This argument gets nowhere at this point. Peace.

Cool. No worries brotha. I respect your views as well and agree we are at an impass.

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten (Post 10999)

Cool. No worries brotha. I respect your views as well and agree we are at an impass.

:werd::D:tup:

i'd give you 2 guys both reps but I have given out to meny in the last 24 hrs and cannot. nice to see we can have a civil debate and all still be friends.

Go figure, we let a guy in that won't even let us know who he really is, then he goes off and makes stupid decisions. This is why I hate politics, nothing makes sense any longer.:shakes head:

^^^^ you know what does make sense? Buying a black 370Z now that makes sense.

^ Damn man you keep making me laugh.

How does this effect our lives?