Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510374)

Sent home without pay. The government employees take it right in the *** when our legislators play chicken with the government.

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510378)

NOT the people at "THE TOP"! They get paid & also get a waiver from joining the new health care. Not fair!!!!!

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510372)

May be a stupid question. "furloughed" do to govt. shut down????

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2510383)

Not stupid; yes, if the gvt shuts down, most Feds get sent home.

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510392)

I got into this thread so much that I forgot your first post. A little stupid :icon17:

Originally Posted by fonzo179 (Post 2510407)

Bottom Line Up Front: I still have to report to work, but some of the people I work with may be affected.

I'm not getting furloughed, but my staff will if they were already scheduled to take leave (made travel arrangements/reservations/etc). We have to give them a letter stating "You are about to take unpaid leave if this is not deemed a medical/family emergency."

Working with recruiters, we (Active Duty Servicemembers) are essential personnel to the military's ongoing mission. Thing is, we can't take leave either (unless it's a medical/family emergency). Strange situation, but it comes down to us being told, "You still gotta go to work."

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2509971)

Without turning this into political commentary or a political discussion, will any of you be directly affected by the possible (likely) shutdown? I will likely be forced out of the office for the duration (although not 100% clear). I have lots of nervousness employees.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510411)

Are you still getting paid, or are you being told to come to work for free?

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2510420)

Actually, it typically isn't legal to work for free. Many folks will have to turn in blackberries and even computers to ensure compliance.

Edit: applies to civilian workforce.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510424)

Government Shutdown Would Mean 'Involuntary Servitude' For Federal Workers: Union Chief

Taken with a grain of salt due to the source, of course.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510380)

Nope. They're all ok. It's the thousands and thousands of people who work for government that suffer. The troops aren't getting paid either, right?

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2510441)

It was sort of the wrong way for the author to characterize what is going on. People could well lose pay, but they are not supposed to be working during those hours (unless exempted), so calling it involuntary servitude is wrong on a number of levels. Still sucks, however.

Originally Posted by fonzo179 (Post 2510443)

Up front let me say thank you to everyone supporting us during this Continuing Resolution. As a Federal Government Services employee I do my civic duty and report to work accordingly. The day goes on, the job keeps going for me. And the love and concern you guys have for myself, my fellow Servicemembers, and all Federal Govt. employees is very commendable. So thank you all. :tup:

We got paid today, some other servicemembers will be paid tomorrow. We get paid because we earned the money between 1-30 September. However it's not likely we will be paid 15 October or 1 November if the agreement is not reached. Each day the resolution is not signed, is unpaid work that we wil be retroactively repaid during the following time period. Example:

- 1 October, no agreement signed, unpaid work days begin
- 6 October (hypothetical day), agreement signed
- 15 October, we get paid for 7-15 October (but not for 1-6 October).
- 1 November, we get paid for 16-31 October PLUS 1-6 October

There are still A LOT of unanswered questions, and even more fine details I wish I could give everyone on our forum. The above is all I've been told though. I'm just too low on the totem pole. :icon17:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510444)

Oh, the headline was pretty out there. I was posting it because of the fact that it says people exempt from the furlough are getting paid after the fact, and only if Congress approves it. That's pretty offensive, especially if it extends to the Armed Forces.

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc (Post 2510449)

My prediction would be that the armed forces will be made whole if affected. That is one segment neither side wants to piss off (they have tanks and ****).

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510481)

Our military should be the first to get paid & taken care off. Everybody else last!!!
Sometimes (being nice) politicians pick/chose people or subjects that will show us how dramatic the affect will be, not because of importance. I hate that..... I can think of a million things to touch before we play around with our troops.

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2510492)

US Declaration of Independence. Seems to me that some of the grievances listed apply today.

IBTL

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510167)

As far as Obama care, it will be another huge govt. bureaucracy paid by the WORKING TAX PAYERS that will support people with families or not, that have NOT worked or paid taxes a single time in their lives. Let's take the guy that spends his days selling drugs in the park. He has all the time in the world & will be able to go to YOUR doctor AHEAD of you. Also the Government TODAY already pays for FREE cab service to people that don't earn/report making a living/paying taxes.

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2510563)

A bit lot of inaccuracies in there. Obamacare is funded by taxes, no one is arguing that. Those that can benefit from the program are working tax payers, it's not a form of welfare that Faux News has made it out to be. This won't effect the guy selling drugs on the street. The act is to provide health insurance to those who work legally, not welfare....that's an entirely separate issue. I don't know where you got your information, but the ER doesn't triage based on insurance. I also don't understand what cab rides have to do with anything, true or not. Furthermore, the budgeted amount that was suppose to fund educating the public on how Obamacare would work was defunded by GOP leaders to undermine the implementation. They want to see it fail before it ever gets off the ground. That's why we're on the verge of a likely government shut down. While some idiot is reading Dr.Seuss in the middle of Congress, government employees that keep this country running are left waiting and wondering if they have work the next few weeks. There needs to be a debate on what can and can't work. What they shouldn't do is use government employees and services hostage because they're not getting what they want. It's the equivalent of some kid threatening to hold their breath if they don't get their way. Obama is basically telling them to go ahead and do it until they turn blue in the face.







I have plenty of gripes with those that manipulate the health care system. I have doctors and nurses in my family that experience it first hand. They stay in hospitals and see it as a hotel. They know that hospital can't discharge them if they're having chest pains for example. My gf is a nurse and every time she comes home, she tells a story of yet another guy who's verbally and sometime physically abusive to the nurses and staff....it's usually the guy/girl without a job or medical insurance...gun shot victims, homeless...etc. They come in to the doctor's office with Medicaid while dressed with expensive clothing, jewelry, smartphones, cars etc...Also, not saying it's a racial issue, but they're often African Americans or Hispanic from low income neighborhoods. I'm not saying they're the norm or the exception...I'm just saying it exist and that's what I've personally observed. The sooner we tackle the problem of insuring all those that work and pay taxes, the sooner we can weed out those that go into the ER, stay in the hospital for weeks and don't pay a dime. They're the reason why premiums are so high and why a 3 day hospital stay can easily be billed at around $18k. I think people need to at least read what Obamacare enacts and decide for themselves instead of listening to what the news pundits are proclaiming.

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2510565)

Just look at History. All previous "democracies" (republics, &c) went through a period of expansion and prosperity (ppl had to fight to get ahead but were able to fully enjoy the fruits of their labor) and then decided that the gov't should/could make Life safe and happy for everyone. Downhill from there.

Whether one likes it or not, Life is not safe nor is it easy and no society/gov't can make it different (as long as we have more ppl than we have resources). Darwin wins in the long run.

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510580)

I'm in the middle of something & only skimmed through your post.

Where does it say the health care is for tax payers? I thought it was for people that don't now have health insurance. Job, paying taxes, or welfare is not part of the plan..... I think??? Anyway will read the rest when I get the chance.

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2510565)

Just look at History. All previous "democracies" (republics, &c) went through a period of expansion and prosperity (ppl had to fight to get ahead but were able to fully enjoy the fruits of their labor) and then decided that the gov't should/could make Life safe and happy for everyone. Downhill from there.

Whether one likes it or not, Life is not safe nor is it easy and no society/gov't can make it different (as long as we have more ppl than we have resources). Darwin wins in the long run.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510583)

People on government assistance are usually already on Medicaid. This isn't aimed at them.

Originally Posted by gurneyeagle (Post 2510581)

Sad but very true.

Even sadder that I am glad to be 55 and not 25. I may just make it before the whole thing collapses.

The Great Society will eventually consume this country. The process started in 1964 and has continued ever since while the plight of those who were to benefit from it fall farther behind.

Entitlements only work if those "entitled" are out numbered by those who provide the resources for the entitlements.

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510592)

WOW^^^^ so they don't even have to go through this mess like we do. I'm not an expert on welfare, but it (welfare) sounds better everyday.:)

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510374)

Sent home without pay. The government employees take it right in the *** when our legislators play chicken with the government.

Originally Posted by mults (Post 2510603)

Yeah, too bad since most legislators will still getting paid. Maybe if they had to follow the same rules, this thing would have been put to bed by now.

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510580)

Oh yes, people on welfare do get free car service to go to their medical doctor. Just like a free phone. Well it's not free, we pay for it. It's free for some people. I'll be back if you need details... That's NOT how to build a strong & healthy & fair country!!!

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510606)

You know it would have been. That's the really depressing part.

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2510586)

True, but Darwin's theory was about survival through adaptation, evolution and natural selection. This is true for every species and doesn't mean we can't coexist.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510596)

No. The ACA for the most part is aimed at lower to middle incomes that have foregone insurance due to cost. The bottom 10% are already covered by existing programs.

Originally Posted by andre12031948 (Post 2510628)

So let me get this straight, ACA/Obamacare is not needed for the people on welfare but aimed at lower to middle incomes that don't have insurance. Right??? Then why do I hear on the news that Obamacare can only succeed if the young & healthy pay for most of it. Right??? Wouldn't most of the young fall into the lower & middle income category???

Am I missing something, because now I don't seem to know where the money for the ACA is coming from?????? I'm not playing stupid. Help.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2510630)

You're right. The young health middle incomes have to shoulder most of the burden. That's exactly the same as any other insurance. In order for the older sicker people to be able to be covered, their costs have to be subsidized by the people less likely to require the insurance companies to pay for care.

That's why they need so many younger health people involved, to spread the costs of the older people over a larger pool of premium payers.