Banning Z funny how your trying to say bush trashed the constitution. the whole guatanamo bay fiasco is stupidity. They say we shouldnt torture the terriorists. Well new flash they wouldnt have a problem decapitating one of us on national t.v. Not to mention how stupid people protest against it so bad, I would like the C.i.a to do what Cheaney said to do and release the memos showing the informations that was taking out of those terrorist via waterboarding because im sure it directly led to the capture or death of high al qaeda leaders which in turn by doing so its keep us a little bit safer here. Wouldnt you call that biting the hand that feeds you?

BagerX your are 1000% correct. Clinton was the one that let every joe,****, and harry get a loan without a job or verification. Another reason that chart shows the U.S doing well was because that was part of the .COM boom which ultimately crashed as well but that wasnt taken into consideration was it.

First let me say, I truely am greatful that you choose to serve/protect our country, and I applaud you for that.

2nd, I feel the same as you. But when our current Commander in Cheif goes around apologizing for our actions in the past? My grandfather fought and died for this country, and our current president wants to apologize to these other nations who wanted to blow us off the map??? He can go **** himself.

^Do you think its absurd that Germany apologized for its past mistakes in war and relations?(not trying to pull Godwin's law here) They are our allies and one of our major medical bases for hurt soldiers.

I applaud humility.

No, I don't think it is absurd for Germany to apologize for exterminating thousands of their own people.

The USA on the other hand; no, I don't feel we should apologize for anything.

Germany = millions

Iraq + Afghanistan = thousands

banning z what are you talking about are you mental?? Germany commited genocide my friend how do you even dare compare the U.S.A's actions with those of Germany in the past. I havent seen the U.S take over canada and mexico and kill millions of their civilians for being french or mexican( thats what germany did in europe to its neighbors) And the only reason theres a military base in Germany is because its convenient to us. We can keep an eye on that region and it helps with our troops abroad.

BTW im not sure if your aware or not but we have a contract with iraq that we signed back during desert storm that we would keep troops there over the next 100 yrs to stabalize the area and afganistan is basically the wild wild west. there is no order there, thats why its vital that we stay there since its a breeding ground for terrorism. Sure theres always going to be colateral damage and civilians are going to be hurt or killed but what you dont see is U.S soldiers putting civilians from towns against the wall and killing them, then burying em in mass graves. Obama apologizing is an embarrasment in fact it should be our so called allies apologize to us because the idiots in the united nations arent supporting us in iraq and afganistan when in fact the U.S being in those two places impacts and assures the well being of everyone.

This isn't a war pissing contest. War sucks. It kills innocent people and good men and women that fight for the very freedoms we appreciate everyday. The comparison was used as an example of an offensive war that they later were able to apologize for. BTW did you see the Godwin's law thing in parenthesis?

Just some FYI: my Grand parents are Jewish survivors that made it through the war and they see what has happened in the last 6 years and they disapprove of our actions. It doesn't mean they are right but they sure are fans of Obama who experienced a lot worse than most of us.

Banningz do you think it was wrong for the U.S. to stop Germany back then ? Ask your grandparents if they wish Germany hadn't been stopped from all that genocide and see what they say. Stopping Genocide is a large reason we are there now..well that and the bomb thing but the bomb thing was rediculous IMO.

Damm those conservative/liberals! All they want to do is give handouts to the rich/poor and to screw over the poor/rich guy. Their trickle down/bloated tax economic plans are destroying this country. Any idiot can see that the Republicans/Democrats only care for the rich/poor at the expense of the poor/rich and that they have no hearts/minds. The goal of the Republican/Democratic party is obviously to rape the Constitution which is the greatest document ever written/an out of date piece of paper written by a bunch of old white guys 200 years ago. If you disagree with me, you have obviously lost your heart/mind and have no clue, idiot. :mad:

Yea the bomb thing was stupid .. but who really knows, you know how can we be sure their werent any and they were moved to syria. o well. but if what your saying is that the united states should apologize for offending other countries F**K that when have you seen Putin,Byong kim, the azzhole from Iran or the jerkoff from Venezuela apologize for the stuff theyve done non the less said about the united states,, remember the chavez thing,, it smells of sulfer in here the devil was here yesterday refering to bush. then obama shakes this guys hand are you kidding me SERIOUSLY are you F**KING kidding me. I would have turned to the camera if i was obama and said this is the two facing goverments i deal with and this is why i dont talk to them, and turned my back on him and walked away, instead he shakes his hand, takes the stupid book and turns into a soft serve. We need a strong leader not some guy that wants to be friends with everyone because at the end of the day in the game of politics there are no friends and you have to look out for number one(meaning your country).

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. This was defined in the UN convention of 1948.

Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?

I regards to genocide and its definition? Bush said that our enemies have no borders, yet we targeted Islamic groups and specific nations. There are extremist groups in every religion, group and city of every planet on earth whether they be two people or 5000. What we could have done was attack the extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan with help from the local governments but instead we left Pakistan alone and sent most of our forces to Iraq. I support our troops and encourage our nation to spread goodwill and security but I think Iraq was a strategic move and we had an opportunity to jump in there after the attacks on our soil again.

This administration is also making it easy for the people from the ghetto to sit around at home and collect a check. One of obamas plans is to take money from the rich and give it to the poor. O.k lets think about that. where is the motivation of going to school,getting a job, trying to be prosperous in life if your living in the projects and your monthly check just got bumped from 1k to 1.5k. Now some might say thats not alot of money, well when your used to making due with 1k a month like alot of em are. an extra 500 bucks is like you getting a nice raise at work, only they dont have to work and show performance to get it. If anything they should start cutting down on goverment assistance so that it lights a fire under peoples asses and have them start trying to make something out of themselves. Because if you really look at it what its going to do its spread the gap between the rich/poor greater rather than closing it. The rich will not lose theyll make the money they want from the middle class and alot of the middle class will fall into the poor catagory.

Yeah.. damn the constitution, basically this country's founding morals.... If you don't like it, then :gtfo2: no one is holding you here aginst your will.