Damm those conservative/liberals! All they want to do is give handouts to the rich/poor and to screw over the poor/rich guy. Their trickle down/bloated tax economic plans are destroying this country. Any idiot can see that the Republicans/Democrats only care for the rich/poor at the expense of the poor/rich and that they have no hearts/minds. The goal of the Republican/Democratic party is obviously to rape the Constitution which is the greatest document ever written/an out of date piece of paper written by a bunch of old white guys 200 years ago. If you disagree with me, you have obviously lost your heart/mind and have no clue, idiot. :mad:

Yea the bomb thing was stupid .. but who really knows, you know how can we be sure their werent any and they were moved to syria. o well. but if what your saying is that the united states should apologize for offending other countries F**K that when have you seen Putin,Byong kim, the azzhole from Iran or the jerkoff from Venezuela apologize for the stuff theyve done non the less said about the united states,, remember the chavez thing,, it smells of sulfer in here the devil was here yesterday refering to bush. then obama shakes this guys hand are you kidding me SERIOUSLY are you F**KING kidding me. I would have turned to the camera if i was obama and said this is the two facing goverments i deal with and this is why i dont talk to them, and turned my back on him and walked away, instead he shakes his hand, takes the stupid book and turns into a soft serve. We need a strong leader not some guy that wants to be friends with everyone because at the end of the day in the game of politics there are no friends and you have to look out for number one(meaning your country).

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. This was defined in the UN convention of 1948.

Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?

I regards to genocide and its definition? Bush said that our enemies have no borders, yet we targeted Islamic groups and specific nations. There are extremist groups in every religion, group and city of every planet on earth whether they be two people or 5000. What we could have done was attack the extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan with help from the local governments but instead we left Pakistan alone and sent most of our forces to Iraq. I support our troops and encourage our nation to spread goodwill and security but I think Iraq was a strategic move and we had an opportunity to jump in there after the attacks on our soil again.

This administration is also making it easy for the people from the ghetto to sit around at home and collect a check. One of obamas plans is to take money from the rich and give it to the poor. O.k lets think about that. where is the motivation of going to school,getting a job, trying to be prosperous in life if your living in the projects and your monthly check just got bumped from 1k to 1.5k. Now some might say thats not alot of money, well when your used to making due with 1k a month like alot of em are. an extra 500 bucks is like you getting a nice raise at work, only they dont have to work and show performance to get it. If anything they should start cutting down on goverment assistance so that it lights a fire under peoples asses and have them start trying to make something out of themselves. Because if you really look at it what its going to do its spread the gap between the rich/poor greater rather than closing it. The rich will not lose theyll make the money they want from the middle class and alot of the middle class will fall into the poor catagory.

Yeah.. damn the constitution, basically this country's founding morals.... If you don't like it, then :gtfo2: no one is holding you here aginst your will.

"Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?"



Germany didnt attack us on our soil. Japan did, but that was after we were in the fight against germany, and we got in the fight against germany because of the instability they were causing in europe, as far as iraq goes they were an instability in the middle east. And yes this war is about oil, but we dont steal the oil. We are paying out of pocket to rebuild iraq and were paying for the oil. Now you say what are we gaining from this. well were getting the oil thats being refined and running your Z and we free the country from a tyrant. My former hair dresser was from Iraq and his father was killed by saddams people for no reason before he was able to escape to the U.S. Also my former co workers husband works as a translator for the marines in iraq where hes from. He got put before a firing squad and shot 11 times before being left for dead and he survived and is not helping us what in his own word are free his country. So dont get it twisted.

i agree, Our constitution is our back bone without it we would be no where. And to even consider rewriting it would be retarded, why you might ask because it was written during a time when values and beliefs where a huge part of what we are that has been lost in alot of ways another is because it was written during a time when there were alot of struggles and at the begining of a nation opposed to what we are now.

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

Every one seems to forget, or mention, he's part white!

A good response to much of the above. : WikiAnswers - Why did the US become involved in World War 2

On topic its nice to see someone from outside this country express an opinion about Obama. 97 days he been in office, give the guy some breathing room. George W. Bush spent 1020 days on vacation. More than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president.

Lets just see what happens.

So I take it you wanted to see former President Bush in the White House more?


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Forgive my ignorance, but I would like to hear your opinions, an across the water view, as to why Bush is considered an insensitive bully?

For what it is worth...

Hamdi v. Rumsfeld

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld

And on a side note, I'm not going to say names or call anyone out, but this is an open forum for intellectual discussion. This is not a place to 1) be clever and practice your stand up routine and 2) be insulting by setting up straw-man arguments and exaggerate others opinions to the point of ludicrous results. Please, be respectful, and try not to be abrasive.

Love how we nicely forget about the people responsible for leaving us in this situation in the first place... the elite few who made away with the loot... Law of conservation of wealth people... it does not disappear... just moves hands

People think the economy is bad now. But people forget that nothing is stoping these multibillion dollar corporations from taking their business over seas and say," Screw the US. "
Money would definitley change hands then.

Really, well they didn't rat out Osama bin Laden! Fjck **** Cheaney!

problem is we dont make anything any more and the things that we do it cost us an eighth of the price to just get it from china. same quality. then if we make good quality stuff because of unions and others it costs a fortune where in other countries theyll make good quality stuff at a lesser price. its like getting hit with a double edge sword,f**ked either way.

Osama bin laden is A) dead or B) in a place like syria or iran where he cant be touched without more people bitching about what were doing.

The primary driver for the recession is a very large amount of housing loan defaults. The banks got left holding the bag after paying off the builders when the borrowers could no longer pay them back. AIG and the like are getting killed on insuring these loans that went bad. Who are "the elite few who made off with the loot"? :confused:

:iagree: Please see page two of this thread

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current news: Freddie Mac CFO found dead in apparent suicide.

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Edit - I'm not being facetious, Badger - just trying to be funny, I'll give you a sensible answer when I've had time to think about it for a while, if that's ok mate.

suuure MATE. lol

And I am sure your answer will be a sensible one too Chubbs. :tiphat:

That's pretty impressive! There's a $50 million dollar reward for this info you know.

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