It's got two strikes on it (not counting the change in styling that happened in 2010 :ugh2:)

1. It's FWD
2. It has 4 doors

I'm specifically looking for a 2 door RWD coupe. Overall there ain't much choice under 30K

Honestly, I've wait until maybe 2014 before jumping on the BRZ/FRS. For all we know , these car may have random crappy issues that needs to be addressed. Toyota usually is quicker on the change than Nissan IMO.

Good point, but, frankly, I like the idea of the car -- light, modestly powered, sporty RWD coupe.

I want to show my support for that kind of car. In order to do so I have to buy it. If everyone waited until everything got sorted out, nothing would get sorted out because they would simply discontinue the car.

Got ya. I like the MS3 for a DD because it has 4 doors, can carry a bunch of shite with the back seats folded, and can be tricked out to outragous HP very cheaply ($1.5k upgrade can put you at about 350 FWH) after the warranty is done. If you get a 2009 or older, it's the ultimate sleeper too! :D A Mustang fits your bill better than anything else.

Shhh. Don't tell that to the logical side of my brain. Actually, I did think of the V6 mustang, but they're a dime a dozen around here. More importantly, they are too big. I like the idea of a small car -- a very small car. I'd get a Kei car if they imported them into the US. I can almost forgive the FWD of the Cooper S, but I can't forgive the ungodly instrument cluster in the center of the dash -- ugh!

So much misinformation I don't even know where to begin..

Let's start with the BRZ / FR-S

* It's curb weight is ~ 2750lbs NOT 3000lbs.

* It puts down 173WHP NOT under 150WHP

* 0-60 in 6.2 and 14.8 quarter is plenty quick enough for a car like the BRZ / FR-S. More power wouldn't do much for the fun factor just screw with the balance and limit engagement.

* EVO is basically the ONLY one's saying the BRZ is under powered. Considering they could only muster a 7.6 0-60 and tested the AUTO version may have something to do with it but not that much.

* I'll take the word over the vast majority over one set of reviews basically claiming the complete opposite. Their motives for basically saying the BRZ is a POS? Can't say for sure but no way in hell can so many be so wrong about the car.


For the lost one saying the Z is somehow vastly superior to cars like the MX-5 / BRZ:

The MX-5 is far FAR the superior driver's car. So if 99.9% of the reviews who've tested the BRZ / FR-S are correct the BRZ / FR-S will also blow the Z out of the water where it actually matters. Don't believe it? Wait until Car and Driver / Road & Track / Motor Trend, etc test them.

Not long ago Car and Driver tested / compared (best 40K and under) the Mustang GT, 370Z, MX-5, EVO X, GTI, Cooper JCW.

Results? The EVO X and MX-5 are in another league above the rest. Far better handling / driver's cars than the rest.

The 370Z finished behind the Mustang GT ahead of only the FWD GTI and Mini Cooper JCW barely.

They rated the 370Z the least fun to drive of all the cars. The EVO X and MX-5 finished WAY far ahead in the fun to drive category as well. The Z did post the 2nd quickest lab though! Not that really matters.

The #'a don't mean **** unless your racing your daily drivers for a living.

Again, considering 99.9% say the BRZ / FR-S is similar to the MX-5 it will in fact be far more fun / rewarding to drive than your precious Z.

I'm not here to stoke egos just stating reality. Sorry but your Z isn't all you think it is. If your happy with it that's great but don't fool yourself there are much better cars.

A car doesn't have to have all kinds of power to be a great driver's car when it has a well balanced chassis and accessible limits. Cars with really high limits need the extra power a hence can only really be exploited on a race track.

Again see Mazda MX-5 it's pure proof of this. The fact that it doesn't have a whole lot of power makes it fun as well as you can drive closer to 99% more of the time. Most cars today have far too much power and way higher limits than necessary for the street.

I don't have a problem acknowledging the weaknesses of the car I'm currently driving being an 08' MS3. I have no issue acknowledging that while it's the fastest Mazda currently offers it's by no means the best sports car Mazda offers.

The MX-5 is by far more fun / rewarding to drive and there's plenty of other cars that I have no problem admitting are much better than my MS3. Had I not been in a serious relationship at the time with a kid I would have gotten more of a pure sports car but the MS3 is still a decent car.

The novelty of going fast in a straight line runs off fast (I've driven plenty of 11-12 sec cars) There's so much more to a good sports car than how fast it goes.





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You need to layoff the kool-aid. For one, the RX-8 is a better comparison to the car than the MX-5. Any smallish cars are most likely going to be fun to drive regardless of what engine it has. It's the same reason why all the old Triumphs and MG were so popular even though they were piece of $hit.

lol I agree. Never knew a person who defended a car so much and not even owning it and going off what magazines say. :roflpuke2: Driver's car...:bowrofl: excuses that underpowered tiny cars say to defend themselves. I'm just going to go ahead and trade in my Mustang for an MX-5 asap since it's more of a "driver's" car. In fact, why even choose a GT-R when you can have a BRZ/FRS since it's a better "driver's" car? :happydance:

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OK, I won't tell you I recently got a quote for a new 2012 Mustang GT non-premium with the brembo package for under $27,000. I won't mention it. WILD HORSES couldn't drag that info out of me!

I'm not feeling the front bumper, but the car as a whole looks pretty good.

:yum:

Too bad it'd be practically unattainable, but at least it shows that some forced induction will be made available aftermarket easily enough.

Can't wait till some dealerships around here get the FR-S or BRZ in stock.

@vo2max99

I would agree with you if you compare stock to stock. Out of production, the 370z has a lot of "cost cutting" in which a lot of us feel Nissan never took the Z to the track during the summer to fully realized the huge drawbacks on the car.

The reason they ranked it low is because of the above issues. If you read the article carefully, they said they would rank it close second to the Evo if the following issues did not occur to them:

1) Rising oil cooler temps (hence why aftermarket oil coolers are highly recommended for the 370z)
2) Brake fade (Stock akebonos do not cool properly, 350z Brembos are a lot better).

However, on the car's "performance" itself and feel, they love it. It's kinda like having an RX-7, you think it's magnificent and if the engine pops, you think it's a piece of crap.

Careful when pulling articles when all you read is the title and summary results.

People's opinions can be different. If I own both cars and which I would sell first, it would be the FRS.