Ford allegedly claims the Ford mustang Shelby 350 poked holes in the camaro Z/28 Nurburgring lapt times? If that unsubstaniatied rumor is true? The 2017 Camaro ZL2 is gonna murder this car and, it won't even wanna look at the Alpha Z/28. It's gonna be a massacre on mustang and challenger next gen...

Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R Allegedly Beats Chevy Camaro Z/28's Nürburgring Time

The ZL2 won't be a competitor to the Shelby 350, the next gen Z/28 will be on the new platform but doubt it will crush the time, if true, of the Shelby 350.
Plus it seems like these 2 have figured out the perfect plan, the Z/28 has been out for a few years and now comes the Shelby 350 as the Z/28 goes away and when the new gen Z/28 returns the Shelby 350 will have been out a few years. Keep that sales cycle going hard and fast.

The ZL2 will probably be in the $60k price point? What is the Shelby price point?

Either way, even if the Shelby is $75k like the Z28, The ZL2 is going to be a monster!! A complete beast that will be the nightmare that keeps the competitors awake at night and not wanting to fall asleep. The Camaro ZL2 is basically Freddy Kruger on 4 wheels. lol:tup:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kAbcUkM5ny05jw

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...-gallery_4.jpg

Some angles look good on these renders.... Some look hideous... I hope the real camaro looks good in all angles?

While I can't argue against the performance capabilities GM has fleshed out with the Camaro, their styling, to me, manages to only be relevant and fresh for one model year. It just doesn't age well at all, and becomes dry and boring to me very quickly.

This generation will be no exception. Based on those renderings, which are very close to the spy shots with camo that have been going around, we will have another that looks... dated... within one to two years of being on the market.

Love or hate Nissan, they have a knack for timeless styles on their performance/halo cars. The first gen Z looks amazing nearly 50 years later, but even the 370Z NISMO from this year with its enhancements still turns heads and gets people asking questions - it's fresh enough looking to where I want one. The R34 GT-R is going on 20 years old and it looks better now than it did when it was new and manages to look better than many of the overstyled sports cars out today.

That type of timelessness with the styling hasn't been done on a Camaro since the late 60s. Ford, however, has executed that type of styling with the new Mustang, IMHO. Fresh looking car - a true evolution. This Camaro looks like it was a variant of the last generation that got turned down.

Maybe that will change when I see it in person.

Performance wise - I love what they're doing. They're driving the competition and moving the needle. The past couple years with the pony car battle royale have been entertaining as hell. We've gotten GT500s, Hellcats, Z28s, ZL1s, GT350s, Super Snakes, and then on the outside of that we have gotten GT-Rs, Z06s, Vs, etc. It's definitely a great time to be a performance car fan.

Styling-wise, none of the muscle cars can hold a candle to the Z, Even the old 2009-2012 Z's look more exotic than any of the muscle cars.... as it stands right now, none of the muscle cars have visually blown me away, but check out the performance expectations of the Camaro and this car is undeniably revolutionary in terms of performance, while the other muscle cars are evolutionary in performance.

Performance expectations
 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ld58cXDn75wpWg

355hp base V6? Sounds amazing.... If the price it somewhere between the base stang and the ecoboost? This will put stress in mustangs base sales, But if the ecoboost is boosted to 360hp? Then Mustang may be more compeitive in the game...
The haard part for stang this generation is the Alpha platform has benchmarked BMW so, it leaves Mustang, searchiing for magic tricks... Let's see how the wars play out? As a 355hp V6, on a sub 3500lb chassis. The v6 camaro may be looking at 5.0second 60mph times with quarters as fast as approx, 13.4 seconds? On a BMW grade chassis. WOW!!! :driving:

As a new BMW owner, I'm not really sure why you're hyped about BMW-grade chassis. Ford benchmarked the new Mustang to BMW (all over the press) and in many ways succeeded. It's not very hard these days to out-do BMW. :icon17:

Well, Cadillac has benchmarked it, so it pretty much surpassed it. To me, there's a lot of performance attributes to the stang that take away from its BMW-like rigidity. Chevy, has better suspension tuning, a more proper sport seating position and better feedback than the stang, so i'm excited about the new pkg. All though, i think the camaro will sadly be going to elec-steer, if im not mistaken? (hopefully not.)

Magnetic ride suspension with Track, sport, touring, and ice mode on the new camaro. This car!!! How much is it going to cost? It's leagues more advanced than the stang or challenger. They claiming mid 30's and it's almost hard to believe.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...91427555,d.b2w

seems like a Z51 vette with a Camaro body basically.