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Chuck33079 04-01-2014 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2763567)
The issue I have with it is the ONLY place it works at all is on a race track, no way that thing is pulling double duty. Again, for the money, for a COMPLETELY dedicated track toy, kudos GM.

GM never intended it to be anything but a dedicated toy car. The magazine caused all the drama. It's a little deceptive testing it against street cars on street tires. They tested a ratcheting screwdriver against the little philips that comes on a swiss army knife and were surprised when it did a better job as a screwdriver. But that's all it does. If we were testing the ZL1 vs that field, it would be a distant third.
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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2763573)
Speak for yourself NOOB, I got a 1:25.4 in my Z on the Top Gear Test track on PS3!!! :driving:

:rofl2:

I stand corrected.

Firebase99 04-01-2014 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2763582)
GM never intended it to be anything but a dedicated toy car. The magazine caused all the drama. It's a little deceptive testing it against street cars on street tires. They tested a ratcheting screwdriver against the little philips that comes on a swiss army knife and were surprised when it did a better job as a screwdriver. But that's all it does. If we were testing the ZL1 vs that field, it would be a distant third.


:rofl2:

I stand corrected.

We both said exactly the same thing in a very similar fashion, with that being said im glad it was stated, and stated as such in such a similar manner. There, that should do it.

Sh0velMan 04-01-2014 01:34 PM

All of those replies are correct and valid.

It's purpose built, so you get the track performance for half the price with none of the creature comforts.

Chuck33079 04-01-2014 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2763587)
We both said exactly the same thing in a very similar fashion, with that being said im glad it was stated, and stated as such in such a similar manner. There, that should do it.

:iagree:

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Sh0velMan 04-01-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2763593)
:iagree:

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Ding ding ding ding ding

Give the man a cigar.

Firebase99 04-01-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2763593)
:iagree:

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

VERY good point however, Im having a hard time understanding how much money you really need to own a Turbo S comfortably. What kind of income? Im thinking minimum NET income $1 million? I dunno...whatever but thats a nice #. If I made that, would I track my S? I dont think I would. Maybe once. If I made $2 million, would i track it? Probably not, I want a dedicated Track Toy-GT3 type. So say I make $250K+, I could see myself getting a Z28 actually.

Chuck33079 04-01-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2763605)
VERY good point however, Im having a hard time understanding how much money you really need to own a Turbo S comfortably. What kind of income? Im thinking minimum NET income $1 million? I dunno...whatever but thats a nice #. If I made that, would I track my S? I dont think I would. Maybe once. If I made $2 million, would i track it? Probably not, I want a dedicated Track Toy-GT3 type. So say I make $250K+, I could see myself getting a Z28 actually.

Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

Sh0velMan 04-01-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2763621)
Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

I wish I'd gotten a cheaper car to do this to, sometimes.

Can't help but think about how expensive it is every time i go fast.

Firebase99 04-01-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2763621)
Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

Wise man indeed....

Firebase99 04-01-2014 01:54 PM

Anyone track a Leaf yet? lol. Some sticky tires, suspension mods, coilovers, springs, you just got yourself an inexpensive (maintenance wise) track BEAST, probably take an 86 to school too. lol.

Chuck33079 04-01-2014 01:56 PM

The other catch is the fact that most insurance companies aren't going to pay if you wad up your car on the track. That would be the worst of all bad days if you killed a Turbo S out there.

Chuck33079 04-01-2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2763640)
Anyone track a Leaf yet? lol. Some sticky tires, suspension mods, coilovers, springs, you just got yourself an inexpensive (maintenance wise) track BEAST, probably take an 86 to school too. lol.

:rofl2::rofl2:

How many laps could you get off the battery?

Firebase99 04-01-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2763647)
:rofl2::rofl2:

How many laps could you get off the battery?

Depends on the course, 2 miles course...maybe 20 laps? Were on to something!!! Im going to Nissan with this. Wish me luck!!

Sh0velMan 04-01-2014 02:10 PM

I try and always get an agreed value track insurance policy when I go to an actual track.

Definitely increases the cost of a track day, but the peace of mind is worth it.

Solomatrix 04-01-2014 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2763640)
Anyone track a Leaf yet? lol. Some sticky tires, suspension mods, coilovers, springs, you just got yourself an inexpensive (maintenance wise) track BEAST, probably take an 86 to school too. lol.

hope nobody tries tracking a tesla
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