Just as bad as the $200k version of what my neighbor's mom has (Porch 911 base)

And take the A/C and stereo and seats out. It will go back to third QUICK.

Not at all. A 911 base is still an $80k car with a nice interior (and exterior if you like Porsche design. I don't though). It still has the Porsche characteristics and can still handle. A Camaro base can be had for what? $20k? Your choice of garbage interior or garbage exterior, Buick inspired handling and found on driveways of high school teenagers and rental car lots.

Even at that, the argument is iffy. It's like refusing to buy an evo because it's a lancer. The z28 is a different animal from the base v6. They look similar, but they're entirely different in terms of performance.

Agreed. But I the original comparison post was referring to perception. An $80k Carrera still has the Porsche panache.

That is a fair point.

if you care about what other people think about what you drive, which is a terrible way to live your life imo.

Z/28 is an incredible car for a great price considering the performance. I'd own one in a heartbeat if I was car shopping.

Eh, everyone cares to some extent. We are social animals.

I've said it time and time again. Nissan doesn't have any clue how to set up a suspension, and there is a reason GM sells their suspension tech to ferrari. GM took long enough, but they know how to make a vehicle handle. Pobst did his best in all 3 cars I'm sure, and knows how to flog an awd chassis. It is what it is folks.

If Nissan didn't have a clue how to set up a suspension, why did it take GM a fully tracked prepped vehicle with no creature comforts to take down a non track model GTR and 911 with all the goodies. Let's not forget the GTR hasnt had any substantial updates since 2009 yet is still the benchmark in a lot of ways. Yeah...chasing down a 5yr old chassis is good tech. Also the GTR and Camaro are by no means light weight...but Nissan figured a way to make to GTR fast in turns back in 2009. How good was a Camaro taking the corners then with GMs great suspension set up? To make this a valid challenge it should be rerun with a Nismo GTR and GT3 and let's see how wonderful GM is.

Nissan doesn't know how to set up a suspension?? That's a first.

...it's their entry level chassis (with tweaking obviously). It was 2 wheel drive. The comparison is a joke. Compare vehicles of equal value...let's put even last year's c6z with mrc in the equation.

I stand by my assessment. My nissan factory sport suspension was junk. That is personal experience on the 370. Then this camaro trumps the gtr. Joke comparison (look at msrps...)...but still. I'll never respect nissan for their suspension. Other things, yes.

Not really. Look at their gtr when they ran the ring time and time and time again tweaking it. GM rolled a car off the showroom floor, added safety and cameras, and did the damn thing. Boom.

:iagree: i guess that means our cars just magically keep themselves from dragging along the ground lol

You are wrong, the COST is the driving factor here....the Z28 while being a pricey Camaro....costs I'm guessing 70K LESS than a Nismo GTR and 100K LESS than a GT3. The point is that a Z28 has about the SAME PRICE as a base 911 and about 30K cheaper than a GTR. And for THAT money it beats them both. Lets see the new C7 Z06 go against the GTR Nismo and GT3. Some of you guys are worse than the Audi or BMW dicks that hate on the Z. DRive a car yourself before you hate on it. Then again most dealers are not going to let the main demographic of the Z test drive a Z28 or Z06. I have a CTS-V, I can't fit in a C7..but I fit in the Z28. Would they let me test drive one? Who knows.

and you have proof that GM didnt do track sessions to fine tune the suspension where?

GM sells their suspension techniques to Ferrari? :rofl2:

2008- "Woah, that GTR is as fast around the track as a 911 Turbo for half the cost? Awesome!"
2014- "Woah, that track special Camaro is faster around the track than a 911 Turbo for half the cost? What a huge overpriced piece of ****!"

:rofl2:

If the Z/28 were based on any vehicle but a domestic pony car, the majority of negative comments here wouldn't have been posted. Why can't people accept that there are cool cars out there from pretty much every manufacturer and leave the fanboy BS at the door?

They did. GM came up with the magnetorheological shocks first and licensed them to Ferrari.

Suspension/Chassis setup is far away from just shocks.. Im just saying...

wasnt hating on it myself, just pointing out that the Z/28 is in fact an almost fully track prepped car...i mean it has no AC, carbon ceramic rotors, and almost racing slick tires and you want to tell me it's not fair to compare it to almost fully track prepped versions of the other 2 rather than the ones they chose which have AC, dont have carbon ceramic brakes and are running on regular summer tires?

You're mixing metrics.

Cost is absolutely the factor we are comparing against here, not level of track-readiness.

So we're picking the 911 that is closest to the same price as the Z/28, and the Z/28 blows it away.

This is a very, very narrow window through which to compare cars, which is why it is easy to get yourself confused on what we are comparing.

Compare almost any other stat (not counting reliability, TCO or anything else that 'semi exotics' like a 911 GT3 or GT-R would have weaknesses in relative to any pony car) and the differences are a lot less positive. The Camaro's interior is abysmal, resale will suffer, etc. (In comparison to a Porsche or GT-R)

I absolutely love the Z/28 and would trade my Z for it without batting an eye. The amount of controversy this car is stirring up just goes to show what a catalyst to the track-tuner-special market the Z/28 really is. All I can say is MOAR!

:iagree: but i still find it funny that everyone on here saying the Z/28 slaughtered the GT-R just glosses over the fact that the GT-R absolutely destroyed the Z/28 in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile department, but good job in the handling department as far as the Z/28 is concerned

That MRC system is light years beyond just shocks. I know it's GM, but let's give credit where it's due.

My next sports car will most likely be a step up from the z, I'm strongly considering a GTR, but it'll be 3-4 years till I do that so who knows what I'll get. I want the most bang for my buc, performance would be about 80% and looks 20% (within my budget). The article seems a little suspect the way it was written, like they gave the z/28 an extra chance with changing the tire pressure, like they had an agenda, but if more reviews come out confirming how good the z/28 is I would certainly consider it, no matter how many similar looking models u can find at enterprise/hertz.


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Yep absolutely! You totally missed my point but thank you for this well thought and informative post. :ugh2: This article isn't about cost its about performance and what they had available. If it was about cost they wouldnt be using a turbo S let alone a GT3. If you want to compare performance then do so regardless of price.

Do you seriously think someone who owns a $200k Porsche would bat an eye at a $75k Camaro? Even if it out performs it? This cost argument is only applicable if you're looking at raw performance and nothing else. Very few people do that. Yeah its the same arguement BMW owners have said towards the Z and so on and so forth. That's the beauty of opinions and freedom to buy what we want

When we're dealing with a stripped track car with no ac or creature comforts, performance and price are pretty much at the top of the list.

Im sorry perhaps my comprehension of numbers is bad....but since when is a $181,000 Turbo S close to a $75k Z/28.

This is an invalid argument for the discussion at hand.

This isn't about egos, it's about a 70k car being as fast as a 120-140k car around a track.

Also, what BMW driver wastes time talking about Zs? I've never experienced this...because there's very little model overlap for discussion to even be had, unless you're just looking to start a fight, which may be the case I guess? Exception would be around track people, where the discussion pretty much always goes:

BMW = E92 M3 - BMW Wins
BMW = E36 M3 - Depends on modifications
BMW = Anything else - Z Wins

Most non-zealot BMW drivers will agree with this, if presented with the basic specs and stats. (Exceptions being 335 drivers who have turned up the boost to make their car uber fast in the straight line and worthless otherwise. I tend to just ignore them.)

Looks pretty close here:


http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1396276542


Jokes aside, I was referring to a previous post where someone mentioned a 911 Carrera, which the Z/28 destroys in every performance metric while costing less. I didn't acknowledge that the article in the OP is actually comparing vs a Turbo S, which the Z/28 still manages to best on the track, even if the Turbo S is faster in every 'synthetic' test.

Sorry for the confusion.

It is a valid arguement. You cant pick and chose performance and price to benefit a certain car. Demographics certainly play a factor in pricing. This article however ignores both those. We have cars from all levels of price and track readiness. I'm failing to see how people justify this as a legitiment comparison. I'm not ******** on the Camaro....more ******** on MTs lackluster comparison

Regarding BMW...I don't know. The original post made that reference.

That's fair. It's a silly comparison, I'll definitely agree on that, you wouldn't cross-shop a Z/28 with a Turbo S.

I agree the z28 offers great performance for the price. I would like to see a more equal review with these cars...price aside.

A comparison vs a GT3 and the (hopefully) forthcoming GT350 (assuming it is track-oriented as rumors suggest) would be interesting.

It isn't fair not to mention price though, a GT3 is supercar money, it just happens to be one of the only other players in the 'track special' segment at present.

Yeah. It'd make for a fun comparison though. There's really nothing in the Z28s market except for maybe the Corvette. So props to GM on that

For reference, you can buy a year-old 997 GT3 Cup Car for well under what a Turbo S will run you.

Then you have a real race car to use for the track.. :P

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Many in here have argued that the Nismo Z is a close match for a Cayman S, but for a lot less money and a better value. I will agree with that, but also agree that for a 75K Z/28 you will be equal or better than machines costing a lot more. Porsche snobs will not buy a Z/28, we all know that, then again most mullet types don't have 75K to spend on a Z/28. They are marketed to guys above 50 with 150K income or so that grew up with Mustangs, Camaros, Chevelles, Novas, etc.

A Nismo Z is an awful match to a Cayman S, but that's a totally separate convo :P

But it's much cheaper!! :stirthepot: :p

Autoweek just had Andy Pilgrim drive the Z28 vs the GT3 at Barber. GT3 was about a half second quicker per lap and he said it was a better daily driver, but the Z28 was a more enjoyable track car.