Nissan to offer autonomous vehicles

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk

Google has had fully autonomous vehicles on the road for awhile now.

This statement must mean something different to both of us. This does not mean Google has cars driving around to random places intermingled with varying levels of human traffic and other autonomous cars in a practical manner. As such, controls tests aren't enough for me.

m3chhawk · 08-28-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

This statement must mean something different to both of us. This does not mean Google has cars driving around to random places intermingled with varying levels of human traffic and other autonomous cars in a practical manner. As such, controls tests aren't enough for me.

Seven cars logged over a quarter million miles in San Francisco in 2010 and the only accident was when one of them was rear ended at a stoplight by a human driver.

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk

Seven cars logged over a quarter million miles in San Francisco in 2010 and the only accident was when one of them was rear ended at a stoplight by a human driver.

Source? I'd be fine reading up on it.

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 01:20 PM

There are problems with autonomous vehicles. I envision it a bit like a rail system, except our seats can break off to turn while the majority of the group continues on. Then my seat goes where I want.

In the US, we have a ridiculously litigious culture. We like yearn to blame someone/something else for any slight problem. This system won't be perfect, and as such makers of such vehicles are going to feed many a lawyer for life... Heaven forbid someone dies due to an accident or is late getting to a hospital. Or we have arguments about manual mode being engaged or not...

Road work/maintenance is going to have an additional challenge of needing to update car software/mapping. We start relying on software/connectivity/satellites for movement rather than our eyes, hands, and a mechanical vehicle under our control, and we're going to have annoying problems.

I suppose car headlights will sense green/red lights. I see money in selling green flashlights in the future. Or red ones, for that matter.

There are more, but I just think it's not a great idea without actual in place systems.

But no, really, I look forward to Google-powered cars that move on their own and deliver to me ads in my car based on where I am and the things in my vicinity. Kinda like a tour guide "driven" by ad sales.

m3chhawk · 08-28-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

There are problems with autonomous vehicles. I envision it a bit like a rail system, except our seats can break off to turn while the majority of the group continues on. Then my seat goes where I want.

In the US, we have a ridiculously litigious culture. We like yearn to blame someone/something else for any slight problem. This system won't be perfect, and as such makers of such vehicles are going to feed many a lawyer for life... Heaven forbid someone dies due to an accident or is late getting to a hospital. Or we have arguments about manual mode being engaged or not...

Road work/maintenance is going to have an additional challenge of needing to update car software/mapping. We start relying on software/connectivity/satellites for movement rather than our eyes, hands, and a mechanical vehicle under our control, and we're going to have annoying problems.

I suppose car headlights will sense green/red lights. I see money in selling green flashlights in the future. Or red ones, for that matter.

There are more, but I just think it's not a great idea without actual in place systems.

But no, really, I look forward to Google-powered cars that move on their own and deliver to me ads in my car based on where I am and the things in my vicinity. Kinda like a tour guide "driven" by ad sales.

While there are definitely hurdles, it's not all that different than any other automotive technology. Drive by wire seemed ridiculous at one point too.

There was an entire discussion devoted to autonomous vehicles and hacking the vehicle networks at Black Hat this year.

Uber is looking to buy a few and it's an application where it makes perfect sense.
Dispatch From The Future: Uber To Purchase 2,500 Driverless Cars From Google | TechCrunch

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 03:18 PM

Oh, yeah, I wasn't even going to get into the security aspects of it, which will be both interesting but also overhyped as well ( I need some CPEs anyway, so need to look these talks up). Kinda like in recent years with aviation systems and lack of firewall separation between in-plane guests and control systems. A facepalm moment, sure, but who the hell would attack that?

At least cars are more accessible and eventually more widespread.

Thanks for the info, though!

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08-28-2013, 01:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 18	There are problems with autonomous vehicles. I envision it a bit like a rail system, except our seats can break off to turn while the majority of the group continues on. Then my seat goes where I want. In the US, we have a ridiculously litigious culture. We like yearn to blame someone/something else for any slight problem. This system won't be perfect, and as such makers of such vehicles are going to feed many a lawyer for life... Heaven forbid someone dies due to an accident or is late getting to a hospital. Or we have arguments about manual mode being engaged or not... Road work/maintenance is going to have an additional challenge of needing to update car software/mapping. We start relying on software/connectivity/satellites for movement rather than our eyes, hands, and a mechanical vehicle under our control, and we're going to have annoying problems. I suppose car headlights will sense green/red lights. I see money in selling green flashlights in the future. Or red ones, for that matter. There are more, but I just think it's not a great idea without actual in place systems. But no, really, I look forward to Google-powered cars that move on their own and deliver to me ads in my car based on where I am and the things in my vicinity. Kinda like a tour guide "driven" by ad sales.

08-28-2013, 03:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 18	Oh, yeah, I wasn't even going to get into the security aspects of it, which will be both interesting but also overhyped as well ( I need some CPEs anyway, so need to look these talks up). Kinda like in recent years with aviation systems and lack of firewall separation between in-plane guests and control systems. A facepalm moment, sure, but who the hell would attack that? At least cars are more accessible and eventually more widespread. Thanks for the info, though!