gtr went up against a real car
 

not hating on the gtr but it really got its *** handed to. hahaha

Nissan GTR vs Koenigsegg CCR Evolution (unfair rac - Car Videos on StreetFire

There is always something better. Cost probably has something to do with better.

Yeah, ah 1.2million vs. $78,000

1000+ bhp on the CCR, GTR doesn't stand a chance :shakes head:

I thought the GT-R was a real car :yawn: I guess its make believe?

wow didnt see that one coming. after seeing the video of the GTR vs the Veyron, i could have sworn that it would rape a koenigsegg:roflpuke2: nice cars tho

More like "GT-R went up against a dream car."

hey man. the GTR was my dream car. i also must say that i have many dreams

Not surprised at the outcome.

Ooo, was a close one.

The GT-R is nice, but its no supercar. Any Zonda, Enzo, Koeniggseg will be faster...its a matter of physics in the end. Lighter + more power = faster no matter how you slice it.

unless its sliced in 1/2 :p

exactly. and theres no way that v6 can sound like any of the above mentioned. v12s make me tingle. and the koenigsegg's v8 twin supercharged is out of this world. i dont even know why ppl compare other supercars to teh GTR like the veyron etc. I mean its flattering for a GTR owner, but we know that its meant for porsche, bmw, corvette, viper, etc.

oh come on now not a supercar? id like to see your definition of supercar then... those cars you mentioned are in a different league to even most supercars whats that term people are using now a days hypercars or something...the ones you can count on one hand. something with 1K hp is on a whole new level.. and were talking about straight line from a role. go look at something as simple as top gear lap times or something and see the GT-R is right there with them. i think the GT-R is just a few tenths off a Enzo

not trying to argue but something like the veyron or CCR are basically elite to themselves.

I'd put the GTR alongside the 911 turbo in a sports cars category. They don't have the figures, they dont have the exclusivity or the price tag to call them supercars. Maybe they can keep up for a few laps on the topgear track, but that alone doesn't make any car a supercar. If I build a Z that can run a few tenths off the Enzo's time, I still don't have a supercar. Supercars to me are Murcielagos, Enzos, SLR's, K-eggs, Carrera GTs, Zondas, McLaren F1's. Do you honestly thing the GT-R belongs in that group?

And I mean this in just a respectful manner, I love the GT-R don't get me wrong. The GT-R is a supercar slayer, but not a supercar itself.

And just so you see I come in peace, here's some eye candy for everyone. Gemballa released a Carbon-laden version of their mirage gt back in june.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....emballa_22.jpg

absolutely, its right there with most of them in almost everything except price. look at the ring times its faster than a carerra GT and a LP640. faster and a F430 scuderia. i mean raw #'s cant be disputed...less than 3.5 sec 0-60 low 11 1/4 miles proven lap times.. sure its not quite as exclusive as those of course but its still 85K car that sells like on average about 130 a month in the US. if it was the exact same car but costs double would it be more of a supercar in some peoples minds?

it might be semantics here but a supercar doesnt have to be an "exotic" more like whats on your list. for instance, just like a 997 TT/ GT3 are supercars a Z06/ZR1 are supercars a Viper is a Supercar. those are cars that dont have that elite mystique as the ones you listed but are as much supercars aswell right there with the GT-R. look at cars like R8's astons and maseratti's. those are very exclusive pricey and generally accepted supercars and except for special versions( like a v12 vantage or something) they arnt in the GT-Rs league performance wise

im not saying its the best car in the world as some fanboy... but im just saying i didnt know its supercar status was in question... i gotta stick up for it there...

True, but it is about the same spread with my mom's Sienna and a civic, the Sienna obviously being the Koeningsegg in this situation :driving:

Well, I think the only thing it has in common with them is the performance. Like you said its just semantics, we only differ on what we consider supercars. When I see a 911 Turbo, I don't think supercar. Supercars to me are those that make the Turbo look like a normal car. Like a Zonda makes Turbos and V10 R8's look tame by comparison.

The GTR doesnt have the over-the-top styling, the no-compromise materials and build or the uniqueness of a supercar. It's a super quick sports car. I'm not saying its not as fast, I just don't think I can put it in the same category as a Carrera GT. It certainly doesn't help that I see GT-R's every other day now...

I think your "exotics" are my "supercars".

On EVO they call your "generally accepted supercars" Hardcore Coupes...Just like I would...it's all semantics. I don't mean to belittle your car or take away from the fact that its a damn fast car, I can't emphasize that enough.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...vette_zr1.html

I didn't like the GTR from the get go. The styling is way too funky. It looks like an older gen Mitsu Eclipse fused together with a angular 350. I don't care that it costs 2.5X as much as my car, or that it can smoke it on the track and drag strip. I'd rather have a non-turbo 997 for the same amount of money. The Gundam-esque styling just doesn't grow on me, neither does the nearly 2-ton weight.

The R32 and R33 were the best.

:iagree:

Supercar is a term used for any car with way above normal performance numbers-wise and not necessarily based soley on looks from what Ive observed. The GTR certainly fits that bill of the accepted automotive criteria. Now each of us may have our own view of it and thats fine. But by every accepted standard of the past and the present the GTR is indeed a supercar but not an exotic. Exclusive? Yes in the same vein as the Supra because they arent many comparatively because of mfg choice or as in the case of the Supra it didnt sell well here.

Exotic supercars are like Porsche 911 GT2, F430, Gallardo, Ford GT, Lotus Exige and to a bit lesser degree the Viper to name a few. Many consider the Viper an entry level exotic but not the ZR1. ZR1 is considered a Supercar like the GTR and Z06. Lots of room for debate on both of those subjects. Then you got Hyper Exotics like the CGT, Murcielago 670 SV, CCR, Zonda, SLR, Mclaren F1, Veyron etc. Ive seen this kind of breakdown over the years 80's-00's in the mags era specific of course.

Whos right? Nobody really as it seems nowadays everyone forms there own opinion instead of going by what the auto press says.

^ yeah thats what im sayin

Im not going to argue semantics, call your car what you will. There can't be a right and wrong answer when there is no specific definition of the word supercar.

In Brazil the Z is a supercar since it does cost over 120k "dollars" to have one.
They have to be imported special order.

here's a "dictionary" description of the word supercar:
Supercar is a term generally used for a high-end sports car, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine", and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own. but the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term can be dependent on the era; a vehicle that may have been considered a supercar in one decade may not be considered the same in another decade. The term supercar may refer to factory-built, street-legal sports cars. Some vehicles referred to as supercars include many of the features required for race cars such as roll cages.

When did Wikipedia become a "dictionary"? haha just playing, thanks.

If it runs at least 11's bone stock, it's a supercar.

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Correction, Hypercar! and lots of money make a big difference.

Guess I'm too used to seeing your "supercars" here in Miami to think they are anything special. I saw 3 R8's yesterday and a GT-R and several turbos, a 997 GT3, a few M6s, 3 F430's, a Novitech F360, several AMV8's, a DBS and a DB9, bunch of E92 M3's some M5's and an RS4.

So did I see any supercars? meh Maybe the F430s...

GT-R definitely is a supercar but not an exotic by any means. It's still a mass produced inexclusive (at least here in LA) sports car that just doesn't share the manufacturing process, material grade, craftsmanship, etc with the exotics. Performance suggests that it definitely is a supercar tho. I don't care if it can beat the F430, Gallardo, etc. Like RCZ said earlier, i can make my Z go faster and it wouldn't put it in a class above them. I guess i'm in the middle here: Yes the GTR is a supercar but its performance doesn't make it more superior. I love the GTR by the way don't get me wrong; this is just my opinion on the subject matter.

I would consider a Lotus Exige more of an Entry level exotic and a Viper would be a supercar. The ZR1, GTR, GT2, 430, Gallardo are all supercars. They dont fall in the same category as hypercars like the CGT, Murci, Enzo, Zonda, Veyron, CCR, MC F1, S7...thats my opinion.

No kidding...and how many other cars would have anything for it? Personally, I don't think I'd have a problem losing to a CCR (unless I was in a bugatti)

follow up article on the GT-R vs Veyron race

On the airstrip:
"If a stationary Veyron really can run down a McLaren that's got a 130mph jump on it, this should be a breeze. So here comes the GT-R and, hell, it's moving. I press down harder on the brake pedal and gently load up the W16 power station at my back. It wheezes and rumbles like a 747 taxiing for take-off.

Almost too soon the GT-R streaks across in front of the Veyron's windscreen and spears onto the straight, its loaded tyres pulling a haze of dust from the road. I bury the accelerator. The Veyron chokes, gulps and for what seems an age, but is probably just a second, does nothing. This isn't entirely unexpected. Without the help of launch control, Veyrons have been known to bog down. More breathing space for the Nissan.

the Veyron cuts loose like no other supercar or hypercar on earth. It's as if it's being pushed from behind by a monumental shockwave of energy, the sort you might imagine having been generated by a strategically sited nuclear bomb. After just 12 seconds we're doing 150mph. Four seconds later it's 170mph, the shove in the back still palpable. The GT-R is now only the length of a football field ahead but the rate at which we're closing it down is visibly slowing. As the GT-R clicks up 175mph, we come past at 202mph, absolutely straight and stable, and there's still plenty of room to brake without a hint of drama.

Harry and I are frankly amazed the GT-R took so much catching; at one point, we weren't even sure we would. But then it was a proper handicapped drag race involving distance covered and not just elapsed time to a particular speed. Respect to the GT-R but, believe me, the way the Veyron made ground was awesome.

We finish off our morning with a few straight, side-by-side drag races and, predictably, the Veyron wastes the Nissan by such a ludicrous margin it's hard not to laugh."


On the road:
"some pretty stark contrasts are laid bare as I take the wheel for our drive to the beach at Porthmadog: the vastly loftier seating position, the much heavier and more feel-full steering and the incomparably better ride. Generally, it's the more comfortable, relaxing car.

It's deceptive, though, the GT-R. It gives a convincing impression of being a docile pooch much of the time, but show it a fast, challenging road – one with open sight-lines and decent straights but defined by its tortured serpentine nature – and it becomes the attack dog from hell. Such a road occurs on the route to our overnight hotel.

frankly fearful of being chased by the fastest supercar the world has ever seen, I run to the Nissan, hit the start button and give it the full beans up to and through the first bend. It buys me about 200 metres. Then it's simply a matter of driving as if I'm being chased by a madman wielding an AK-47. There is no car I know of that is better for acting out this imaginary scenario than the GT-R. You could be driving in a state of utter terror, feeding purely off reactions and adrenalin, and the GT-R will translate it into stunning speed across the ground. It minimises mistakes, rewards aggression and commitment, makes you better than you are. More than that, it makes you feel better than your are.

I'm staggered at the sustained speed, the instant, lag-free urge, the way the chassis ignores the road's humps, dips, kinks and cambers, carrying absurd pace through the trickiest of bends with complete equanimity. Yet, at any moment, I'm expecting to feel the warmth of the Veyron's headlight beams on the back of my neck. It never comes; the Bugatti never closes that initial 200-metre gap.

on the right road, and if you're prepared to drive it to within an inch of its life, the Nissan GT-R will look after yours and cover the ground so rapidly that it bows to no supercar, not even the mighty Veyron."


http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...ti_veyron.html

I think that all the bugs squashing on the GT-R's windshield was slowing him up. :rolleyes:

oh ok

I real this and anyone who argues with Matt should shut up. Matt, slaughter some "super cars" on VIR or something then post it up and show people 90k > 250k

^^ Really? :icon08:

i spamed it but not before i checked otut the links . lol

Worst part is....I know that site.....very well! :roflpuke2:

^^^^ ahahahahahahaha too funny