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How much is this Civic? (Can't currently watch the vid). My guess is well over $30k like that Mugen edition they used to make. That is a bit more than a BRZ Premium. I have read repeatedly that the stock wheel/tire combo is the weakest link in the car. Edmunds actually replaced the set on their test car with a set of TE37s and stickier rubber and it performed a ton better on their road test.

What's out there for $25k that's equal or better?

The BRZ/FR-S is hyped because it's a fresh take on a cheap RWD sports car. In the current market landscape, there are people that want to have fun but can't justify $30K+ to do it, nor sacrifice the fuel economy. The BRZ does all that. Fun in a cheap package, capable of 30MPG. It's exactly what the "fun car segment" in the current American economy needs, and that's why they're selling like hotcakes.

I have no idea why so many people are nuts over this car being hyped. The enthusiast will ALWAYS find a car that's better than one that gets positive mainstream attention. The same can be said for beer, bands, food, movies, etc.

The point of the BRZ was NEVER to blow the doors off an Evo. The point of the BRZ was to have fun while not breaking the bank. It does exactly that.

Both cars are $26,000. The BRZ starts there, The Civic tops out there.

Well at least they were smart on the pricing. That's still more than I'd pay for a Civic, but that Mugen edition was retarded levels of expensive.

Yeah I guess the BRZ is roughly 26K starting out (25,495). Either way... that civic may get it now, but the aftermarket presence behind the BRZ is huge, and you have a pretty capable platform to start with for long term bigger power. Won't be long before there is a fairly accessible 350hp build for it, but that would defeat the purpose of saving the money in the first place I guess. I've seen people dump $10K+ into 20 year old 240s though, so I guess it is a "to each his own" scenario.

I have always hated the Prius wheels on the BRZ. :barf:

The car gets a lot of hype because it is good. Basically every journalist disagrees with you.

The car is "good" on stock tires because it is fun on stock tires. They picked them so you could easily (and safely) get the rear tires loose, not because they're good for lap times.

Everyone already knows that one test R&T did with the FR-S, though, which showed this perfectly. When they stuck equal summer rubber on the FR-S it was faster than the WRX and the MS3.

Now, by all means, ride the WRX into the moon for all I care. I'll likely be switching into a WRX or a ST later this year for practicality's sake.

But based on what I've seen, if performance was the only thing I was interested in I'd pick up a BRZ and go to town in aftermarket land.

The system Subaru uses is very basic from a technological standpoint. I'm not saying it isn't good -- quite the opposite, if you read my last post -- I'm just saying that it isn't advanced, which was what the post I was replying to was saying.

The simplicity of the system is why it is good.

You'd be hard pressed to find a Subaru for less than $25k anymore.


You would probably have to have a good friend find a clean used one on a 370z forum, being sold primarily because the owner was moving out of state.

Frankly, that just doesn't sound realistic to me.

For me, the Ford Focus ST....that's why I bought it instead.

There's general consensus that the twins are fun.

As a sports car, it's a let down. Notwithstanding hooning potential, there's no point in getting all excited over a sports car that gets destroyed by virtually every other hot hatch on the market -- especialy considering the typical hot hatch is meant to be a compromise whereas the twins are "purpose built".

Purpose built for what? Bragging to some guy in a Civic that you have a FR car, and therefore have the superior vehicle?

That would be fine if the Civic was being destroyed on the track, but it's not.

Again, this is why everyone hollers "it aint about the numbers!".

Of course not, The numbers are pitiful relative to the excitement that was generated.

I say, screw 'em.

Toyota, just give us grownups the twincharged version you built, charge us 35 grand for it, and let the children drive their cheap toys.

As things stand, Toyota is very close to bringing back the FWD hot hatch as a viable sports car option... whoops.

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

Hey for $26k you can have a TRD supercharger kit that requires you to do your own tune.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1363717992

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao. :thumbsdown:

It's a racing kit.

March 1, 2013
To: Toyota Parts, Sales and Service Managers
SUBJECT: Pirelli World Challenge/Scion Racing Parts Inquiries – FR-S Supercharger
As part of Scion and Toyota Racing Development’s participation in the Pirelli World Challenge series, regulations require Scion to provide parts information through Scion dealership Parts Departments. The requirement is meant to support Pirelli World Challenge race teams that have an interest in racing Scion products.
An FR-S Supercharger has been developed by TRD for racing use only. The kit is set up for race teams only, and is not intended/legal for street use. The kit includes only the housing- manifold, rotor group, intercooler cores and low temp radiator. Any mounting/fitment details are the responsibility of the team purchasing the kit. Also, engine management software is the sole responsibility of the team.
Order lead time on the kits is approximately 7 – 9 weeks.
Please note: there is no requirement or expectation that the Parts Department will stock Pirelli World Challenge racing parts.
If an inquiry is received regarding this supercharger kit, please have the interested party call 1-888-551-2929, option 2.

Part Number
Cost
Minimum Order Quantity
PTR29-00086
$26,000/Kit

Is a turbo brz even coming out?

So that $26,000 comes with the racing suspension and exhaust too?

I thought I was going to get a Focus ST but in the end, I went for the WRX
It is more comfortable than I thought :driving:

http://i47.tinypic.com/fxynmd.jpg

nice choice with the limited and WRB. Good looking car:tup:

thanks :)
I have only put 10 miles on it and already a guy in a suped up honda wanted to challenge me :-O. He won, of course ;)

next time remember to open your hood scoop

Congrats on your new car. :tup:

thanks. I went to see my insurance agent and she told me I bought too many cars. So I told her I was positive this would be my last car purchase for this year :-)

I was worried about the WRX insurance rate but it's not too bad probably because I insure all my cars with this company.

I was talking about AWD systems.

As far as $25k fun cars, it's really a "to each his own" category. I bought a Mazdaspeed3. The Focus ST wasn't quite out yet when I bought. Great looking car though and from what I've read, very capable.

The BRZ works because it's an answer for the everyman that wants a fun car that's somewhat practical in the current economic climate. Not everyone needs 300hp to have fun. You can take the BRZ to the autocross course and have a blast on the weekend and make 30MPGs back and forth to work with it during the week. Bang for buck, it is among the best out there.

The car starts at $25k-ish like stated before. It's not $30k unless you want bells and whistles. You get the core of the car for its core purpose at $25k-ish.

Buy a Genesis R-Spec 2.0T and throw $5k in suspension mods into it and where are you? Z territory. Buy a 30 year old $2500 car to make it track capable, depending on the condition, you're going to drop at least another $2500 in reconditioning (and a laughable amount more in an RX-7 with apex seals among other things)

Bottom line is, there are always alternatives. If you're looking at new with a warranty and not a lot of fuss, there are NOT a lot of alternatives to the BRZ. It's ok - relax. The BRZ is a great car for what it does, especially for those who love to have fun on a beer budget. We could always enjoy champagne, but not everyone has a champagne budget. That's the point of this car. The buyer who goes after a BRZ likely doesn't have an extra $10,000 in his car budget.

It was never meant to be compared to a Z or a Camaro SS or a 30 year old Celica.

At this point in the argument, people are serving as someone who is so far against the hype you're hyping the anti-hype. Relax. It's ok. It's hilarious that there are Z drivers getting all bent out of shape over this car. Would you get bent out of shape over a new 240SX as well? It's borderline insecurity at this point. HOW DARE THEY MAKE A CAR THAT COSTS LESS AND PEOPLE THINK IT'S COOL! DON'T THEY KNOW THEY MAKE LAMBORGHINIS AND PAGANIS?!

1. That part of the conversation ended and doesn't include you.
2. My opinions of theBRZ are my own opinions based on a variety of factoirs you have negated in your argument to push your own agenda. AGAIN
3. Z driver comments are stupid based on my opinions are not based on the car i currently own. Especially considering that I almost traded my Z for another sports car 3 weeks ago. And have almost traded it twice in 3 months.

Looking for a fanboy? Look somewhere else. I just call it how i see it.