Nissan blew it with me

cossie1600 · 10-17-2012, 12:31 PM

Paris Hilton has a McLaren and a SLR, does that make those chick cars?

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-17-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Paris Hilton has a McLaren and a SLR, does that make those chick cars?

The only chick car i know of is that pink Mary Kay car.

cossie1600 · 10-17-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The only chick car i know of is that pink Mary Kay car.

I think Kim k has a pink Lambo? I think they have it to flash us he vah j j

Inspector71 · 10-17-2012, 04:26 PM

I'm curious, are you able to read and follow the crux of an argument? The lament I posted, and at this time the exercise begins to resemble talking with teenagers,, i.e., instructions must be repeated over and over until they get it, auto-industry experts have been reporting, long before I came along, the chickification of SUVs and so forth that once appealed primarily to men. Certainly responding to market forces cannot be avoided but those of us who wish our vehicles weren't chickified are not out of line for lamenting these changes.

Inspector71 · 10-17-2012, 04:31 PM

By all means, express yourself. I find it rather amusing that you have designated yourself the arbiter of what is or is not outdated. Interesting, anyone with views different from yours is old and outdated. Afraid to use the work "chick?" You sound like the metrosexual males I used to encounter in the Bay area of California. How trendy you are. I notice that you made a jump to a political statement tying a lament about the chickification of cars to claiming I don't support the right of women to vote. You forgot to add that I'm a racist, bigot, homophobe, and, God forbid, probably not a liberal either. I notice in your posts you also jumped to defensive sarcasm about not being a real man. Hmm. I didn't say anything about that. Seems to me a case of projection on your part. Perhaps you need to deal with those issues seated comfortably in your heated seats dining on quiche.

Cmike2780 · 10-17-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector71

By all means, express yourself. I find it rather amusing that you have designated yourself the arbiter of what is or is not outdated. Interesting, anyone with views different from yours is old and outdated. Afraid to use the work "chick?" You sound like the metrosexual males I used to encounter in the Bay area of California. How trendy you are. I notice that you made a jump to a political statement tying a lament about the chickification of cars to claiming I don't support the right of women to vote. You forgot to add that I'm a racist, bigot, homophobe, and, God forbid, probably not a liberal either. I notice in your posts you also jumped to defensive sarcasm about not being a real man. Hmm. I didn't say anything about that. Seems to me a case of projection on your part. Perhaps you need to deal with those issues seated comfortably in your heated seats dining on quiche.

No problem with the word "chick", just your 1920's rhetoric. I'm not even going to guess why you have metrosexual male encounters in the Bay area of California.

Inspector71 · 10-17-2012, 05:07 PM

My use of the term chick is not from the 20s. History a tough subject for you? Judging by your concern with political correctness, I have no doubts you wouldn't need anyone explaining metrosexual to you at all.

cossie1600 · 10-17-2012, 11:24 PM

I completely understand what you are complaining about and in some small ways I agree with you. At the same time, you just come across as someone who is extremely offensive, ignorant and narcissistic. Just because the general public doesn't agree with you, it makes everyone a girl or a puss? Based on the sales numbers from the SUV world, maybe you should realize you are in the minority, male or female. Most people want SUV that is safe, comfortable and efficient. Most of the offroading SUVs get now are at the local strip mall or on their own lawn. If you don't like where the industry is going, go design your own car. Or you can always get a diesel truck and put two giant exhaust pipes out the truck bed. I am sure you will look tough and gain plenty of attention.......from guys.

What else are you going to blame women? Unemployment? Illegal immigration? Economy? Middle East? Also are you going to call all the VDC users a puss too? How about people wearing seatbelts?

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Originally Posted by Inspector71

I'm curious, are you able to read and follow the crux of an argument? The lament I posted, and at this time the exercise begins to resemble talking with teenagers,, i.e., instructions must be repeated over and over until they get it, auto-industry experts have been reporting, long before I came along, the chickification of SUVs and so forth that once appealed primarily to men. Certainly responding to market forces cannot be avoided but those of us who wish our vehicles weren't chickified are not out of line for lamenting these changes.

Inspector71 · 10-18-2012, 07:03 AM

In my years I have found that people who jump to conclusions about others they don't know, in this case, you, often, not always but often project their own personality characteristics onto others. To wit, the majority of posters here, including the pms I received, suggested alternatives to the Pathfinder, understood the humor, and were no way offended. This is what leads people like you to misread my intent and jump to conclusions. As far as narcissim goes, it is you that impute all sorts of cliched motives to me, engage in ad hominem insults simply because I have a different perspective than you, claim to speak for the general public, and overreact to what was a post met mostly in jest. Everyone else but you and one other poster got it. Of course I'm in the minority. If you actually read my post, you would have realized that I tip my hat to the free market system and the fact that Nissan must chase profits in building what customers want. That does not change the fact that they are not always right, otherwise, why would they build what the majority did not want? or that there are millions who want an SUV without the gugaws that appeal to women not men. Many automotive industry writers have also lamented the chickification of cars, which by the way, automotive designers focus group test with female buyers, hence the term, and fortunately, there remain alternatives. Do you really believe that Nissan is omiscient in killing the Pathfinder? Can you say Rogue, Murano, Juke?

Your semi-hysterical fear of not being "manly" even though I never suggested that, is obviously autobiographical. The only way, and pay attention this time, you could jump to such a conclusion, is if you have insecurities about your own masculinity. Otherwise, how could you and that other poster have jumped to screaming about what is a real man. No one, including me even posted anything suggesting that and yet this is how you to chose to inerpret what I posted. May I make a suggestion, innocence doesn't shout with cries of injury but the guilty do. Perhaps you like the new chickified Pathfinder and, me exposing this and you and that other poster liking the vehicle, have been exposed. Think about it before you engage in insult and ad hominem conclusions about someone you don't even know. Think about it before you indulge in your hackneyed politically correct cliches. They have the depth of intellectual integrity as the juvenile occupy wall street folks.

nuTinmuch · 10-18-2012, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspector71

In my years I have found that people who jump to conclusions about others they don't know, in this case, you, often, not always but often project their own personality characteristics onto others. To wit, the majority of posters here, including the pms I received, suggested alternatives to the Pathfinder, understood the humor, and were no way offended. This is what leads people like you to misread my intent and jump to conclusions. As far as narcissim goes, it is you that impute all sorts of cliched motives to me, engage in ad hominem insults simply because I have a different perspective than you, claim to speak for the general public, and overreact to what was a post met mostly in jest. Everyone else but you and one other poster got it. Of course I'm in the minority. If you actually read my post, you would have realized that I tip my hat to the free market system and the fact that Nissan must chase profits in building what customers want. That does not change the fact that they are not always right, otherwise, why would they build what the majority did not want? or that there are millions who want an SUV without the gugaws that appeal to women not men. Many automotive industry writers have also lamented the chickification of cars, which by the way, automotive designers focus group test with female buyers, hence the term, and fortunately, there remain alternatives. Do you really believe that Nissan is omiscient in killing the Pathfinder? Can you say Rogue, Murano, Juke?

words words words

The problem is your argument is flawed -- cars have been long associated with masculine needs more than feminine (at least when it comes to advertising), and this is easily seen when you look at studies or data that genders vehicle purchases.

The Top 10 Most Popular Car Brands With Men and Women - Forbes

Yes, it's true that more women buy SUVs than men, but compare the percentages to the male-favored cars.

Basically, what I'm saying is the whole "chickification" argument is ********. I'm absolutely sure women have been part of the focus groups that these cars have passed through, but they haven't been the solitary factor in their development. The only car company you can claim that for is Volvo (who employees more women in their development process than any other manufacturer, iirc).

The reason SUVs are getting "softer" is more nuanced: fuel economy and a lack of interest in the traditional "sport" qualities that accompany SUVs. In other words, when was the last time you saw someone take an SUV offroad? Chance are if you have, it's been a Jeep or a purpose-built vehicle -- or maybe a SUV from the 90s with a bunch of retrofits.

The Juke doesn't exist because women. It exists because there's no longer a need to produce a vehicle that goes offroad. There's no want for that. There is, however, a want for "all-weather" (market perception -- not me) vehicles that are "capable" and are able to have the same utility that, say, the 90s wagons did (also why you're seeing a resurgence in wagons).

Now, you've said as much -- but you seem to be associating the changes with what women want when it's more what the market itself wants. That's why the term "chickification" is stupid. It's like calling the 50s/60s the "rockification" of music because everyone started using electric guitars, ignoring that those needs/wants existed ages before rock ever did.

But even if you were right, even if SUVs were being designed primarily for women... my answer, I guess, would be to deal with it. Cars have been primarily designed by/for men for literally a century. I'm sure the very existence of a few not-so-grr-tough SUVs won't hurt you.

cossie1600 · 10-18-2012, 09:57 PM

So I am jumping to conclusion after you dropped 4 c bombs in your first post alone? One or two, it's funny and it's all for good fun. The more you kept going, the more you made yourself sound like an angry old man.

I am sure you get plenty of support, except none of them are buying the vehicles. The bottom line is what drives car design at the end of the day. Bringing the sex card will only get you so far and you just make yourself sound like a fool.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inspector71

In my years I have found that people who jump to conclusions about others they don't know, in this case, you, often, not always but often project their own personality characteristics onto others. To wit, the majority of posters here, including the pms I received, suggested alternatives to the Pathfinder, understood the humor, and were no way offended. This is what leads people like you to misread my intent and jump to conclusions. As far as narcissim goes, it is you that impute all sorts of cliched motives to me, engage in ad hominem insults simply because I have a different perspective than you, claim to speak for the general public, and overreact to what was a post met mostly in jest. Everyone else but you and one other poster got it. Of course I'm in the minority. If you actually read my post, you would have realized that I tip my hat to the free market system and the fact that Nissan must chase profits in building what customers want. That does not change the fact that they are not always right, otherwise, why would they build what the majority did not want? or that there are millions who want an SUV without the gugaws that appeal to women not men. Many automotive industry writers have also lamented the chickification of cars, which by the way, automotive designers focus group test with female buyers, hence the term, and fortunately, there remain alternatives. Do you really believe that Nissan is omiscient in killing the Pathfinder? Can you say Rogue, Murano, Juke?

Your semi-hysterical fear of not being "manly" even though I never suggested that, is obviously autobiographical. The only way, and pay attention this time, you could jump to such a conclusion, is if you have insecurities about your own masculinity. Otherwise, how could you and that other poster have jumped to screaming about what is a real man. No one, including me even posted anything suggesting that and yet this is how you to chose to inerpret what I posted. May I make a suggestion, innocence doesn't shout with cries of injury but the guilty do. Perhaps you like the new chickified Pathfinder and, me exposing this and you and that other poster liking the vehicle, have been exposed. Think about it before you engage in insult and ad hominem conclusions about someone you don't even know. Think about it before you indulge in your hackneyed politically correct cliches. They have the depth of intellectual integrity as the juvenile occupy wall street folks.

10-17-2012, 04:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Inspector71 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lee's Summit Missouri Posts: 337 Drives: 2015 Pearl White Z Rep Power: 17	Cossie16 I'm curious, are you able to read and follow the crux of an argument? The lament I posted, and at this time the exercise begins to resemble talking with teenagers,, i.e., instructions must be repeated over and over until they get it, auto-industry experts have been reporting, long before I came along, the chickification of SUVs and so forth that once appealed primarily to men. Certainly responding to market forces cannot be avoided but those of us who wish our vehicles weren't chickified are not out of line for lamenting these changes.

10-17-2012, 04:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Inspector71 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lee's Summit Missouri Posts: 337 Drives: 2015 Pearl White Z Rep Power: 17	CMike2780 By all means, express yourself. I find it rather amusing that you have designated yourself the arbiter of what is or is not outdated. Interesting, anyone with views different from yours is old and outdated. Afraid to use the work "chick?" You sound like the metrosexual males I used to encounter in the Bay area of California. How trendy you are. I notice that you made a jump to a political statement tying a lament about the chickification of cars to claiming I don't support the right of women to vote. You forgot to add that I'm a racist, bigot, homophobe, and, God forbid, probably not a liberal either. I notice in your posts you also jumped to defensive sarcasm about not being a real man. Hmm. I didn't say anything about that. Seems to me a case of projection on your part. Perhaps you need to deal with those issues seated comfortably in your heated seats dining on quiche.

10-17-2012, 05:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Inspector71 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lee's Summit Missouri Posts: 337 Drives: 2015 Pearl White Z Rep Power: 17	CMike 2780 My use of the term chick is not from the 20s. History a tough subject for you? Judging by your concern with political correctness, I have no doubts you wouldn't need anyone explaining metrosexual to you at all.

10-18-2012, 07:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
Inspector71 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lee's Summit Missouri Posts: 337 Drives: 2015 Pearl White Z Rep Power: 17	Cossie16 In my years I have found that people who jump to conclusions about others they don't know, in this case, you, often, not always but often project their own personality characteristics onto others. To wit, the majority of posters here, including the pms I received, suggested alternatives to the Pathfinder, understood the humor, and were no way offended. This is what leads people like you to misread my intent and jump to conclusions. As far as narcissim goes, it is you that impute all sorts of cliched motives to me, engage in ad hominem insults simply because I have a different perspective than you, claim to speak for the general public, and overreact to what was a post met mostly in jest. Everyone else but you and one other poster got it. Of course I'm in the minority. If you actually read my post, you would have realized that I tip my hat to the free market system and the fact that Nissan must chase profits in building what customers want. That does not change the fact that they are not always right, otherwise, why would they build what the majority did not want? or that there are millions who want an SUV without the gugaws that appeal to women not men. Many automotive industry writers have also lamented the chickification of cars, which by the way, automotive designers focus group test with female buyers, hence the term, and fortunately, there remain alternatives. Do you really believe that Nissan is omiscient in killing the Pathfinder? Can you say Rogue, Murano, Juke? Your semi-hysterical fear of not being "manly" even though I never suggested that, is obviously autobiographical. The only way, and pay attention this time, you could jump to such a conclusion, is if you have insecurities about your own masculinity. Otherwise, how could you and that other poster have jumped to screaming about what is a real man. No one, including me even posted anything suggesting that and yet this is how you to chose to inerpret what I posted. May I make a suggestion, innocence doesn't shout with cries of injury but the guilty do. Perhaps you like the new chickified Pathfinder and, me exposing this and you and that other poster liking the vehicle, have been exposed. Think about it before you engage in insult and ad hominem conclusions about someone you don't even know. Think about it before you indulge in your hackneyed politically correct cliches. They have the depth of intellectual integrity as the juvenile occupy wall street folks.

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10-17-2012, 12:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 32	Paris Hilton has a McLaren and a SLR, does that make those chick cars?