Used Z06 vs New Z. Pros/Cons?
 

Simple question for all the 370z owners what are your thoughts/opinions on the C6 Z06's? It's just strange to me that Mustangs are mentioned all the time, but I never hear much about the 'vettes. Especially since if you look at the used ones selling on the corvette forums their are some ridiculous deals. Not sure if I'm allowed to link this but
FS - 08 black 2LZ Z06 - 5200 miles w/ matte black wrap - Corvette Forum
I mean thats a LOT of car for 50k. And I don't really care about buying used ones because the interiors already sh** how much shi***** can it get right? I mean the downside of the z06 to me is the horrendous interior. Which I think I can partially fix with some aftermarket seats and a aftermarket dash. But as you all know the 370z is just SO SEXY! Inside and out.

well...

1. performance wise the Z06 wipes the floor with the Z

2. looks are subjective, theyr'e both good looking cars but I prefer the lines of the Z, Z06, and all c6 vettes just look too big to me.

3. interior, I'd give the Z the edge again, not just in materials/quality but also in styling.

If all you want is performance, then by all means a used z06 is the way to go, if you want to enjoy the inside of your car and dd it, I'd give the edge to the Z.

Also, cars like the Z06, GTR, etc, they're honeslty a waste if you never take them to the track, you CANNOT push these cars on the street, the power and handliing levels are just too high. On the other hand, a 300 whp car with a short wheelbase can be a blast to zip around in.

Here's an old thread for your reading... might help with your decision.

Also, it has been locked for a reason...

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...6-vs-370z.html

I like the Z06, nice car.

While the z06 is a stout performer for sure, at the end of the day it's still a Chevy. I've had quite a few Chevys including a couple of z28's. I've sworn them off for good. The quality just isn't there. My last SS camaro was burning a quart of oil every 800 miles with only 62k miles on it. There was a service bulletin on it and they still wouldn't fix it for free. A coworker of mine has a denali suburban with 70k on it and they have already replaced the tranny and just replaced the pistons and rings due to an oil burning issue.

i like the Z06's appearance too but i prefer them in diecast models in my garage. :)

This thread also comes up often!

Z06 cons:
1* Cheap interior parts
2* Interior leaves one absolutely cold for a car in that price range - one winter then one summer and you start having plastic parts fall apart (I personally witnessed this during a Z06 test drive last fall)
3* You are one wipeout away in turns if you gave more gas than needed - yes it will happen!
4* Monstrous power, why is it a cons you might ask, go back to point#3 + cops on the lookout for you.


Z06 Pros:
1* Power
2* More Power
3* (More Power ^2) + (1/2 ZPower) + (Extra Power)
4* Will scare the sh*t out of your pants power
5* Will make your heart race through turns as you ask yourself if that specific turn is the one you wipe out at and lose the car. Please check youtube videos for that.
6* You don't have to deal with civic ricers as much, they know how sh*t will go down if they try ;)

That about sums up. Have fun!

Ahahaha great post +1

This might help you out Z06Vette.com - Corvette Z06 Forum

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Do both. ;)

if you want a car that works on the track, get a z06. if you want a car that works both on the road and on the track get a 370z. if you want a car that works on the road only, get a vw golf diesel manual and save your money.

Well, one car is Japanese & the other is American. Which one would you rather spend your money on?

I'd go for the Z because the Corvette lacks class and refinement.

The fact is that the Corvette has industry leading PPH numbers.

The LS1 engine in your SS was prone to using oil, I bet you ran that Mobil 1 in it, didn't you? Mine did the same thing. Run a better oil and it stopped. I went from 1qt/2K miles to 3/4qt 4K miles usage running an oil better suited to that engine.

The drive-line of the corvette and its suspension are rock-solid. The interior is the only area that "needs work", and "what you see, is what you get" there. No secrets.

This is how driving a Z06 makes you feel for the most part:

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I've had more than one gm, they have all sucked since about 1973. Just ask my coworker who has just had to have new rings and pistons installed in his well maintained Denali suburban with only 68k miles. This is after he had to put in a new transmission in it 3 months ago.

Put 200k trouble free miles on that vette and then come back and talk to me about it being trouble free. The reason the stats are better on them is due to the fact that old men leave them sitting in the garage and don't ever get up to 50,000 miles.

I've got a Honda pilot in the drive way, 150k miles, uses no oil, drives like new. Only thing ever done to it not maintenance related was a new cat converter.

My FJ cruiser, 101k miles, nothing but oil changes.

No, the reason the stats on the Corvette are better is because they are built in a separate factory that ONLY builds corvettes, by people that ONLY build corvettes.

As to my engine, it was build by ONE person, who then signed it.

You're friend's suburban has absolutely nothing to do with a corvette aside from branding.

This is like me saying my G20 is a pile of **** so your 370Z is, too, since they are both made by Nissan/Infiniti in Japan. Does that logic track with you? I have replaced a transmission, all the motor/trans mounts, etc. etc. So your 370Z must be a bad car, too. Yeah?

No. It has no relevance what-so-ever.

FWIW, there are plenty of high-mileage corvette's that have needed little/no work. My LS1 engine was a great engine once I put the right oil in it. It went 150K miles and the ONLY thing I replaced on that engine was the oil/filters and the water-pump once. Other than that, it ran like a dream. A few weeks before I sold it, ran a few 2010 SS 6-speed cars. Dead-even. It didn't lose a bit in 150K miles. I can show you dyno-charts from LS1 cars still making over 290whp at the 100K+ mark. GM builds a great engine. So a one of them had a flaw? I think EVERY manufacturer has made a lemon or two. Nissan certainly did with their VQ series early-on with all the replacement engines they installed.

So let me ask you: Have ANY of your GM's been corvettes?

PS. The corvette has a 5/100K warranty. If GM were making junk engines, would they bet $14K (dealer cost + labor) per Z06 that it wouldn't make it for half a decade or 100K miles? I don't know...I also don't care. Replacement is free if it dies. Which I HIGHLY doubt it will.

Spring Mountain has run corvettes for years. They ran the C6's when they first came out until present. While I was there, I asked what the failure points were. They said "wheel bearings until 2008, clutch hydraulics RARELY."

After 2008, they said the clutch hydraulics were about it. They had had around 3 go bad. This is putting 12-14,000 track-miles on the cars in Las Vegas 100*+ weather running them hard with inexperienced people behind the wheel day in and day out.

No engines have been lost. No rear-ends have been lost. No transmissions have been lost, since 2008 (and probably earlier, but I only asked about '08 cars and later). They had no cars older than 2010 when I was there, and those had 9-12K miles on them already.

In my book, that says a lot more about how the drive-line holds up than some guy who knows a guy who owns a Suburban.

Now, so there is no mistake, I am trading my Z06 for a 370Z, so this isn't about GM nut-swinging, it's about the facts.

PS. You live in KY. Go spend the $5 or $8 and get a tour of Bowling Green if it's not too far from you. I spent 16 hours on the factory floor watching them build my Z06, and those people were very enthusiastic not only about my car because I was watching, but about other cars I saw them building as well. They really do care. Sure, they CAN make mistakes, but they are not just grunts who are stomping through the muck hoping to get home. They enjoy what they do, well, a lot of them do, anyway. Go watch them and you will see what I mean.

I get it, you are a corvette fanboy regardless of your screen name. Any reasonable argument is worthless. If burning oil is acceptable to you, so be it. It wasnt to me. It is a Chevy, all cars are made in different plants. Its not the guy on the shop floor who makes the difference, it's the company's dedication to making quality cars. They don't change that attitude just for one model. If they had it wouldn't have a **** interior like all the other Chevy's and it wouldn't burn oil. The guy on the shop floor isnt designing the motor with the wrong tension oil rings in it, or machining the parts to loose tolerances. If I were going to buy an American muscle car I would get a well equipped 2012 high end mustang thats just as fast, twice the quality, for half the price.

almost true.

Cadillac XLR is also built there.

You might want to take a peek here.....
2011 Nissan 370Z Reliability | U.S. News Best Cars

2011 Chevrolet Corvette Reliability | U.S. News Best Cars

GM has changed a lot in the past few years.

But whatever. As much as he might be a "Corvette fanboy" or whatever, you're clearly just as much of a GM hater. There have been a ton of GM cars in my family over the years, and we've never had a major problem with them.

This includes sports cars, econoboxes, mid-size sedans, etc. None of them ever gave us trouble.

I would DD a Corvette. Easily.

Well said! My wife works where the Camaro is built. They have zero say on the floor. Unfortunately, they take all the blame from the general public. You are the first person on an internet forum that I've seen who gets it. :tiphat:

Z06 all the way. I love my Z, but the Z06 is in the same weight class, monstrous power as noted and its a stout beast. My friend's dad has one with 85k on it and has beaten it to death. Stock clutch still and NO issues.

And yes, if you cant handle that car at its limits, dont take it to the limit. The backend does break free quite easily so be careful in it. Also, be wary of the cost to replace anything you damage, carbon fiber and expensive parts abound on that thing. :tup:

How you can even quantify reliability on a 2011 model car is beyond me. Those consumer reports on reliability are a joke. Measure it on a 10 year scale, not an off the lot test drive scale.

You are correct, but my hatred of gm is justified and based on years of my own experience. I've owned quite a few and used to be a Chevy guy.

Do yourself a favor and buy the Z06.

so.......they didn't agree with you....got it!

:D

How about this. From the same guys, the 350Z over it's lifetime (2003 - 2009) got a 47 rating, the C6 vette for much of the same time (2005 -2010) is rated at a 59. Now the 370Z may be a bit more or less reliable than the 350Z but since you are the one that wants to condemn all vehicles based on some you've had, the shoe has to fit on bith feet. (I made that old saying up on the spot!) :D And just to show you my bias, I owned a 95 Camaro and it was the absolute worst piece of s*** ever to grace the roadways of our fine planet.

Who knows how they arrive at that data? Do they track actual dealer service records? I doubt it.

In any case, I've never owned a 370 (until now) or 350, nor a corvette. I don't really care about the argument one way or another. I've just been so dissatisfied with several GM's that I've owned that I wont give them another chance. That's just me, my experience. I have owned another Nissan that was a great car. And I have owned several other japaneses cars. My experience with Japanese cars of all makes has been fantastic. I've loved every one of them and have had great reliability out of them. They have all held up well and still drive like new cars many years later. Even the GMs I've had that did not have significant mechanical failures still drove like **** once they got more mileage on them and felt like buckets of crap. Again, this is my experience, with vehicles that I have owned. I don't really care what some report says that is based on hidden research or data. The 370 might turn out to be a huge pile of **** ( I seriously doubt it, it has a quality fit and finish), but it will be the first Jap car I've owned that is if that's the case. I'm going my way based on vehicles that I've owned, and no one on here can validly argue that or change my mind about it.

Considering I plan on buying a 370Z next month of Lou comes through for me, your statement and presumption is full of fail. Go back to trying to correlate suburbans to corvettes.

You comparing your POS camaro from over a decade ago and making an argument about an engine that you have never owned based on one SEVERAL GENERATIONS older is laughable.

As to your mustang idea, it's a great car, but it's nowhere near as fast as my corvette :)
It does have a higher-grade of interior, though, that I will agree on!

I hate nissan, my G20--Sentra derivative from 2002 is a POS. Your 370Z has to be a POS now because of this.

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Luckily, my brain doesn't operate like that, so I will buy a 370Z and enjoy it.

Front-end starts at about 5K on a Z06 for cosmetic damage.
Cold weather makes the car SCARY unless you have some self-control.
I love my Z06, but it's a waste unless you a)don't care about legal trouble. b) track it. c) are just buying it for the ego/experience.

I bought mine for the experience, and a bit of the ego.

It has been fun, but I am now trading into a 370Z (when I find one) for the interior and USABLE power. Not to say the Z06 is not docile and tractable when you want it to be, it's just, I am not using a lot of what I payed for with this car. It will do nearly 90 in 2nd gear for crying out loud.

May I ask why are you getting rid of your cool Z06 so soon boss?

Consumer Reports are worthless, I agree. PPH industry numbers are much more useful. Nissan won't publish any like Ford or GM, though, that I have found. So we are all left guessing.

I had a friend with a 350Z. I had a 2001 WS6 Trans Am. her 350Z had way more rattles and a far shittier interior than my WS6. Experiences vary...

I'm not a fan-boy, nor do I have any strong emotion about an automobile company one way or the other. It's a machine, and as such--just the facts, please.

you know nothing relevant to the plaform from your Camaro experience. The chassis, engine, transmission, EVERYTHING are different from your car, in the new C6. Your opinion on the matter is as moot as me comparing my G20 to your 370Z and saying that the motor-mounts in your 370Z were poorly designed because the one's in my FWD G20/Sentra were. Pure ignorance.

I am moving, I want a smaller amount of cash outflow. Also, please read the post above this one about streetable power. I don't track it. I want a fun, nimble car that isn't necessarily built for the track all the way, as I won't be taking it there. A 370Z will save me roughly $350/mo on insurance and car-note combined. Very nice when contemplating a move and trying to save for a house/land. The Z06/Viper was my dream car in highschool, and I used it as the "carrot" to graduate and get a job. It served its purpose, was a totally awesome experience from ordering to watching them build it to slamming gears in the ZR1's at Spring Mountain Motorsports (included in purchase). I wouldn't trade the experience for the world.

But now, it is time to grow up and buy some land and build a house on it, and I realize after Spring Mountain that this car has so much more power than is ever prudent to apply on the street--since I don't track it, I'm wasting money IMO.

:tup: sounds like you had it well thought, you'll miss the power difference for sure.

I will, but you can get used to anything. 505bhp feels slow when I drive my Z06 for a while, then when I drive my G20 for a while, 145bhp feels adequate. People are wonderfully adaptable. The 370Z still has decent power with great handling, looks, and a nicer interior than my Z06.

Besides, I have to change things up sooner or later, and there aren't many cars that weigh 3200# and have @450whp. Better accept/move on now, lol.

Supercars are too expensive of an addiction for me to get myself hooked before I hit 30. I think the 370Z will serve me well.

The 370z will serve you quite well...

Thanks, I think so, too. The only thing I don't like about them is the blind spot. Will take me some time to learn to live with it.

Ive owned a dozen GM's. Im talking about gm's quality in general (GM makes vettes you know), as per my observations of owning those, yet you still want to argue with me. You lived my life and drove those cars for me? Your existence on this forum is full of fail. You think the z06 is so great, yet you say you plan on trading one in the 370. You have pestered the poor sales guy to death, he's probably wishing he could take you hostage and work you over with a belt sander under a dim light. You have almost 3000 post and a hundred threads asking if you should get a z or not. Wtf is the matter with you? They kick you off the z06 forum? "full of fail" is something my 17 year old would say. You are starting to remind me of him and how I want to smack him every time he opens his mouth.