Let a Genesis owner jump in on this...

Personally I'll pass on the new facelift. The extra bump in power doesn't make up for it, for me. Plus it's direct injected now. I have the 2.0T R-Spec not the V6 though.

Granted my 2.0 is modded and costs more than most 370's in it's current state. I run with a lot of 370's on the track and pull faster lap times. I also dog it all day and leave the track without oil temp issues.

If I wasn't a track junkie I would have sprung for the Nismo 370 I was eyeing for a while. On paper the new Gen might stack up to the 370 number wise but I don't think it's really a competitor.

BTW: Old Prefacelifted Gen Coupe is good proof, that power is nothing. 155kW 2.0 Turbo engine means 0-62 in 8 seconds and 224km/h top speed.

My mums VW Tiguan 2008 does it under 8.5 seconds in automatic and it will take 7,5 seconds if she chose manual gearbox. And it is SUV with just 2.0T 200HP engine! :driving:

If you look at Hyundai cars on the road, almost each and every one copies style elements from higher-end cars (i.e. Mercedes, Infiniti, etc.)

Replicas are acceptable to some people, but not to me.

I think that's why we like Z cars. They're original and never had to copy for validation.

Yes you are right! But Nissan overslept in technology it looks like. Don't mean Juke R or GTR, which are really advanced cars in technology.

Ughhhh??? Body rigidity missing??? I've tossed a gencoupe hard and body rigidity is everywhere. I will agree the suspension leaves a little to be desired. But that's because its the only ready for drift suspension right off the dealership. If you don't drift? You can't appreciate the gen setup. Being that its the only drift ready import right now for the money, I respect the gencoupe.
The biggest problems with the gencoupe is a overly sh1tty manual, a ecu controlled,paddleshifted auto with too many safeguards, iron suspension components creating too much weight surrounding the tires. Sport pkg tires aren't wide enough for real performance driving and too many creeks and rattles inside of months of ownership. Warranty fixes are constant.

As far as the facelift. It looks hella forced. Its horrible. The interior facelift. It looks like an M3 and a G37 had sex and made the worlds most unoriginal non fluid interior possible. Gen is going backward design.

As impressive as 350hp sounds the gen seems to have a hard time putting down performance numbers that match the power they claim. Time will tell if the gencoupe succeeds at pushing out proper numbers for the power claims.

Do you know your Z history? The 1970 240z was practically a replica of a 61 ferrari GT. When the 350z was designed. Nissan looked over the porsche 911 and used many engineering and styling cues for its design. The 370z looks like half 240z half cayman. The Z does a better job in design "integrity". But its still a copy non the least.

Actually 370Z looks like in many angles like 911 997 Turbo. Rear wheel arches are really similar. But it still has its own of design. Btw: do you remember TV series Viper? Transformed Dodge Viper to that supercar has two teeth in front fang too.
But I still love it!

Are the gear ratios in the Gen coupe any good? I don't even know if they have 5spd or 6spd manuals? Final drive ratio? Power is nothing if you have terrible gearing.

I agree to a point, but where Nissan took design cues, Hyundai seems to outright copy sometimes. All companies take design elements from one another, even the luxury and exotic brands. Hyundai just seems to take it a little too far sometimes, to the point of plagiarism. The Equus looks like a Lexus LS twin and to a small degree the current gen coupe to the g37 coupe. They have started to break away from those designs though, which I'm really glad they're doing. The Veloster for example, is a huge step in building a distinct brand design. I still can't bring myself to really gen coupe for some reason. I dunno, it just seems like a work in progress.

Yeaah I remember that show. It was corny but fun.:tup: way better than knight rider 2000 remember that one with 4 different KITT style cars. Lol.

You're right the 370z does take on 997 cues as well but that's my point. Yes its true that the Z stands out more as a unique vehicle. But I would credit that to the 2 seat coupe market being rare and niché. (Roadsters EXCLUDED). That being said. I prefer my Z over any car in the price range and cars up to 20k above. I haven't found anything worth trading up to that isn't at least 70k. But the Z is still taking cues from cars... awesome and expensive ones but still taking cues.

I agree with the what you are saying on most points. The thing is the original 240 and ferrari gt had more than just styling cues. It outright completely resembled. That was 40 years ago and nissan is only like 50 years old in the US.
And you are right. The hyundai is still a work in progress, the gencoupe is awesome "for what it is". But when you have driven many a sports car hard. The gen just doesn't add up in stock formation. The coupe was sold to be a potential tuner car as the japanese sports cars but they have done things that make it near unworthy for a serious tuner. As mentioned before, invasive ecu and things like dual cats and subpar transmissions. The Z does have the experience and heritage.
I'm just glad hyundai stepped up where no one would go and fill that 25-35k rwd car with a formiddable platform. As far as the equus, you are right but there's also over 20k in difference. They won't touch the same buyers for the most part. Hyundai is great for the under 30 and over 60 crowd. For a Z owner, its a work in progress. For a novice or intermediate tuner. Its more than enough to get excellent winnable performance.

Koreans have the ability to make a copy of anything look like the real thing. If you have been to S. Korea you know what I'm talking about.

So it's part of their culture/belief system.

In the same way Germans believing they are superior to others.

I actually don't know Z history. My history with cars comes mostly from my Dad and the cars he drove while i was growing up. He claims his favorite was his 1984 Carrera Targa, but his best was Lexus LS400. He drove all sorts of different cars from different countries, but for sports cars he liked the 911.

As i grow older, i'm learning to appreciate different cars for what they are.

Certain cars appeal to different parts of the psyche, it seems.

The 370z is what attracted me to Z cars. I never knew about them before.

One of the cool things about the Z car is it's history. I like cars that have some soul... cars that actually came from somewhere. Z, Mustang, Corvette, 911, etc... all these cars started somewhere and have evolved over the years in their own special ways.

It's just cool to hop behind the wheel and think "Man, I could be sitting right here back in 1953/1955/1964.5/1969 when this was just getting started..."

I get all nostalgic and emo. :bowrofl: