another thing is that when the 09 gtr came out, it had a pretty good interior for a 70-75k high performance car. the interior now is basically the same minus a few minor changes (darker trim, higher res nav screen, blue tach accent) but it's not $100k good imo. the performance backs that price up but the interior has lacked any significant additions to justify the price it's commanding now. and even then, we still are getting it way cheaper than anyone else in the world. don't get me wrong, it's not a bad place to be. i would just hope that a car commanding that price would have a little more leather and a little less plastic

technically the CF wing is driving all of it as it costs over 10K itself...but nissan is probably absorbing some of that....

i think its outside factors more than the upgrades... the 13 took the same price bump as the 12 did over the 11.... the 12 was a complete refesh of the platform... the 13 is building on that new refresh....so i think its the yen along with some global factors... i was telling everyone on NAGTROC that the cars in other markets are about 84K pounds in the UK and over 9.5 million in japan... thats 125-130K USD...so there are alot of things going on there and the result is pretty much a 100K GTR base model after taxes in most states...

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For 70-90K, this car makes sense, talking about interior, performance etc, the whole package. For 100K+, for a slightly faster but otherwise same car really, it starts to become a stretch imo.

100K is a big psychological barrier as well imo. It's no longer a "budget/everyman's" supercar anymore at this point, and they heavily advertised it as such when it came out.

They are pricing themselves into a smaller group of potential buyers, the kind of buyers that, a lot of the time, will shy away from owning a "nissan" regardless of how awesome the performance is.

completely agree phil. why not buy an 09 or 10 slightly used and put 10k in mods on it instead and have a faster car?

whatever it is its about over 16K more than what i paid for mine.. i was just telling the guys.... i have no shame in saying it would be hard for me to comfortably afford a 105K black edition (thats im fairly sure without the 1K destination not to mention sales tax).... and just think about the lightly used 12's vs a new 13 for example what our mutual friend just picked up... thats A LOT of money

this is where Juno and I are leaning right now, since the our limit on $$ is around 90K for a car, well, actually THIS car, it's the only one i'd spend over 50K on a car for.

We're thinking 09-11 for around 60Kish in the next few years and just mod it with about 10-15K of stuff and make it an animal.

yea seriously, he got such a good deal on that super clean '12. he could spend some serious money in mods if he wanted to and still not be close to the price of a "stock" '13 which would be a bit slower no doubt. granted he's not planning to do anything to it anytime soon that i know of.

sounds like a great plan. r-comp tires, nice set of pads, nice suspension setup, exhaust, tune (maybe intercoolers?) and you'd be easily at 600whp (which is a great number for people wanting to maintain track-ability of the car). that'd be my "perfect modded GTR"...

Yeah if I get one it will probably have to be used. The price of these new ones just keep going higher and higher.

it keeps the bottom from dropping out of the used market though... if the price would have stayed the same the last 4 years you could get a high mileage 09 for what a 370z costs now

I'd be fine with that. In fact I would probably buy one even sooner :bowrofl:

very true^ it's hard to find an 09, regardless of mileage, for less than $65k... that means that owners bought a car that has only depreciated 10-20% in the first 4 years of ownership. that'd make a mercedes owner pass out in anger

/\ pretty much this right here.

This is the route I'm going, makes much more sense in the long run for anyone who doesn't absolutely need the "latest & greatest." Unless of course you are content with the car in stock form, then I would buy a '12.

which is what MC did... lol

I plan to do the same once they announce the last year of production.

NISSAN ANNOUNCES U.S. PRICING FOR 2013 GT-R


Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today announced U.S. pricing for the 2013 Nissan GT-R, which is on sale now at Nissan dealers nationwide. Following a major revision just last year, the 2013 Nissan GT-R receives a number of impressive performance enhancements, reinforcing the flagship supercar’s spirit of continuous advancement. Horsepower has been boosted to 545 hp (from 530 hp), with torque now rated at 463 lb-ft (from 448 lb-ft). In addition, the suspension has been retuned to enhance both performance and comfort. Other changes for the 2013 model year include a standard RearView Monitor and the Black Edition receives a new dry carbon fiber rear spoiler.

The 2013 Nissan GT-R continues to be an incredible value, rivaling the fastest production supercars at a fraction of the price. The 2013 Nissan GT-R is available in two well-equipped models: GT-R Premium and GT-R Black Edition with special lightweight black forged aluminum RAYS® wheels, unique red and black interior, Recaro® leather-appointed seats and new dry carbon fiber rear spoiler.

Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Prices* (MSRP) for the 2013 Nissan GT-R include:

Model/Transmission Prix
GT-R Premium / Dual-clutch transmission $96,820 USD
GT-R Black Edition / Dual-clutch transmission $106,320 USD




About the 2013 Nissan GT-R
The 2013 Nissan GT-R is once again anchored by an advanced 3.8-liter twin turbo V6 engine matched with a high-performance 6-speed dual-clutch transmission. Engine efficiency has been improved for the new model year, which helps raise horsepower to 545 hp (versus the previous 530 hp) and torque to 463 lb-ft (versus the previous 448 lb-ft). The engine is hand-assembled in a special clean room.

GT-R is built on an exclusive Premium Midship platform, which enables the use of the world’s first independent rear transaxle ATTESA E-TS all-wheel drive system. This system places the transmission, transfer case and final drive at the rear of the vehicle, optimizing weight distribution and maximizing handling capability. Total vehicle adjustability is provided by three set-up switches located in the center of the instrument panel, enabling the driver to adjust transmission shifts, shock absorbers and the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC-R) among three settings – Normal, Special or “R,” for ultimate handling.

The Nissan GT-R suspension has been retuned and adjusted for optimal performance. The vehicle again utilizes a special Bilstein DampTronic system, and the braking system consists of Brembo full-floating cross-drilled rotors, low steel high stiffness brake pads and Brembo monoblock six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers. The 2013 Nissan GT-R’s lightweight 10-spoke forged aluminum 20-inch RAYS® wheels feature a premium dark (near black) finish, which provides a high quality, high-performance look. They are mounted with Dunlop Sports Max GT 600 DSST CTT tires – P255/40ZRF20 in front and P285/35ZRF20 in the rear. The Black Edition features special metallic black six-spoke RAYS® lightweight wheels with Dunlop Sports Max GT 600 DSST CTT tires – P255/40ZRF20 in front and P285/35ZRF20 in the rear.

Nissan GT-R’s aerodynamics were improved last year with increased downforce and the coefficient of drag reduced to 0.26 (from 0.27). A new front fascia with aggressive double rectifier fins and integrated high intensity LED running lights was also added, enhancing the car’s strong visual presence. Other exterior features include high-mounted LED stoplights, bright LED rear combination taillights, “super wide beam” headlights, heated door mirrors and flat-blade windshield wipers.

The GT-R Black Edition’s new rear spoiler is designed to be as slippery to the wind as it is attractive to the eyes. Handmade in a limited monthly production run, a special coating allows carbon fiber “weave” to be felt by the touch. The lightweight dry carbon fiber material** is also incredibly strong.

Six exterior colors are available for 2013: Deep Blue Pearl, Jet Black, Solid Red, Gun Metallic, Pearl White and a 4-stage metallic Super Silver.

Inside, Nissan GT-R’s four-passenger cabin again balances functionality with a sense of ease and comfort. It features sculpted performance bucket seats for an optimal driving position, a cockpit-style instrument panel with a large center-mounted tachometer and multi-function display – which includes mechanical and driving information, as well as an on-board driving recorder, and carbon fiber trim. The Black Edition adds custom red and black Recaro® leather-appointed seats, red and black interior trim and a dark headliner.

An 11-speaker Bose® sound system with speakers mounted in rigid aluminum die cast panels, which provides sound quality suitable for a supercar, is standard. Additional standard equipment for 2013 includes a RearView Monitor, Nissan Navigation System with XM NavTraffic® with Real-Time Traffic Information and NavWeather™ capabilities (XM® subscription required, sold separately), and Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System.

think that price includes the $1k destination or is that on top of what's above?

the fine print says its not included but i have am in the process of confirming... if not thats thats 107,600 for a black edition with floor mats....

damn that's getting pricey...

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Extremely reasonable $$, IMHO!

my main beef is that the cost of the GTR at 70-80k vs 40k for a 370z is awesome value for money. at 100k, you could build a hellova race car out of a 370 with that much money to put in it. granted you wouldn't have any of the warranty the GTR comes with, still, it doesn't represent near as good of a value as it did for (basically) the same parts 4 years later

yeah, we've already aired our displeasure earlier in this thread. :shakes head: @ nissan.

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It's getting really hard to justify. I could drop 20k in my X and have all the performance of the GTR and only have 40k invested.. I kept waiting for the 09's to drop into the 50's but it doesn't seem to be happening. Soon those 09 GTRs will be out of warranty right?? I would think they would start to drop in price then??

MC, your '12 has RearView Monitor doesn't it? I thought that was the first year that included it standard...at least in the Black Edition.

yeah i have it... it was a $600 option in 2012 and the first year it was available on the car... for 13 its standard on both trims

Tiff Needell GTR vs 911 S track battle

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....911-carrera-s/

Big GTR news today the GTR development team is going to enter the nurburgring 24 hrs race as part of on going development for the car.... out of this we learn the R36 is atleast 5 years off and the car will continue to evolve over the next few years


video coverage and more pics are here
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....25#entry875725
some highlights

Quote:

[Kazutaka Mizuno] Thanks to your support since its debut four years ago, the Nissan R35 GT-R has evolved to this level. To commemorate its fourth year, and looking to the future, we want to try something new this year. Let me explain. It's been four years since GT-R's debut. From the 2007 model's lap time of 7 minutes 38 seconds, this car achieves one lap of the Nordschleife in around 7 minutes 20 seconds. The GT-R will continue to evolve over the next five years or so in its current form, and continue to improve its performance. Just as important as performance improvement is, we must be confident about the reliability and durability of the car. This is the reason we chose to enter the 24 Hours Nürburgring: to perform harsher endurance tests for future performance improvements. In less time, more force is applied to the vehicle. To create such driving conditions we are participating in this 24-hour race. First of all, by completing the race, we will assure the car's durability and reliability. Secondly, the opportunity also allows us to grow as a team. I always say, the evolution of a vehicle also necessitates the evolution of the people that continue its development. If the people do not evolve, the car will not evolve. This is why the team will challenge itself to develop the ultimate car using the experience from the 24-hour race. As a result, each team member will create a theme and a course for the training required for further development. This is why we are taking on this challenge. All the fans are looking forward to watching GT-R, tested and evolved here in the Nürburgring, racing against strong competitors. We want to share the excitement with them. To accomplish this, we have been planning to have the GT-R compete in a 24-hour race since 2007. Not through Nismo, the motorsports and racing division of Nissan, but the actual GT-R development team. In competing, I hope we will respond to the expectations of the car, the team's own expectations, and the expectations of the fans. People ask me, "what is the ultimate performance goal of the GT-R?" There is no such thing. Because no matter what kind of GT-R I create this year, the customer who purchases it will say a year later: I want more power, more cornering capability, better brakes, a car that's more fun to drive. So if someone asks what our goal is, I will answer that it is not the performance of the car itself, but it is about our customers' feelings and expectations for the GT-R. That is our development goal. As long as we are in the race, we will do our absolute best. Our hope is that this race is a prelude to the GT-R that people will see five years from now.

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very neat :tup:

nice pictures

Awesome! Can't wait to see what they do with the R36 :tup:

Read that earlier. GT-R gets the win for now, but I'm more interested in the comparison with the 991 Turbo S. That thing will be a whole new beast.

Agreed, but the way they're tweaking the GT-R each year, I'm sure the '15 (?) will hold its own against the 991 Turbo S. :tup:

Nissan has just released a comprehensive summary of the "Team Nissan GTR" entry into the 24 hours of Nurburgring. This video takes a look at the development of the GTR and provides insight from Mizuno-San and his engineers into this newest chapter of the GTR's Evolution.

To bad the Father of the GTR has already retired. The jap guy seated on the left hand side.
CEO Goshen will no longer pursue further development of the GTR?
How true?

the GTR has atleast 5 more years with a new facelift coming very soon. the only thing thats not certain is the R36 which isnt until atleast after 2018 as it will most likely use a hybrid tech if it gets the green light..

mizuno is still "around" im just glad i got him to sign my car before too much more time passed

Nice, can't wait to see what improvements Nissan will bring to the GT-R for next year :tup: