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370Zsteve 09-28-2011 08:08 PM

Porsche 911 - Highly Overrated?
 
Now don't get me wrong. I've always loved the 911. But twice now in the past month, I've been challenged by 2 different (2010-2011) 911's and both times left their owners completely humiliated. On both twisties and straights. :owned:

Maybe both owners were just The Suck. Although on a straightaway, at least, I fully expected to lose to the alleged mid-range power of the Porsche. It was just the opposite. My car has some mods, but a catback, intakes and HFC's should not = 911.

Anyway, I just had to smile that a $35K car could accomplish this. Not that I'm advocating street racing. I would never advocate that.

Red__Zed 09-28-2011 08:18 PM

ummmmm

370Zsteve 09-28-2011 08:22 PM

LOL don't feed the troll, Red.

cossie1600 09-28-2011 08:44 PM

The 911 suck if you can't afford one

Rone 09-28-2011 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1334811)
The 911 suck if you can't afford one

LOL :bowrofl:

This also makes me sad cause I would get one if I could pay for it.

Red__Zed 09-28-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1334784)
LOL don't feed the troll, Red.

:icon14:

birdmanx1 09-28-2011 08:55 PM

More than likely those guys didn't know how to drive. The Z is a fantastic cheap machine but I don't see it owning the 911 the way you described.

Kingbaby 09-28-2011 08:58 PM

Correct but that's the joy of the diver mod!

I eat up vette guys non-zo6 that is but I clearly understand that it's the douche and not the car...

ImportConvert 09-28-2011 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1334753)
Now don't get me wrong. I've always loved the 911. But twice now in the past month, I've been challenged by 2 different (2010-2011) 911's and both times left their owners completely humiliated. On both twisties and straights. :owned:

Maybe both owners were just The Suck. Although on a straightaway, at least, I fully expected to lose to the alleged mid-range power of the Porsche. It was just the opposite. My car has some mods, but a catback, intakes and HFC's should not = 911.

Anyway, I just had to smile that a $35K car could accomplish this. Not that I'm advocating street racing. I would never advocate that.

I raced a 997 4S once and was pulling on it in a car similar in performance to your Z.

Then I found out she (yes she :P) had it in 5th gear, lol. They are geared so closely that many drivers will just throw it back into 5th from a highway punch and pull away from most cars. By the time they figured it wasn't working, they decided just to wind it out anyhow. I've done that before.

ImportConvert 09-28-2011 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1334811)
The 911 suck if you can't afford one

Yes, I used to hate rich people. Now that I am middle-class, middle-class is no-longer "rich", and I hate poor people AND rich people. Reality sucks :roflpuke2:

TreeSemdyZee 09-28-2011 11:56 PM

Even Danica Patrick won one race.

Thechidz 09-28-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1334974)
Yes, I used to hate rich people. Now that I am middle-class, middle-class is no-longer "rich", and I hate poor people AND rich people. Reality sucks :roflpuke2:

I'm an equal opportunity hater. Me Hatez All

cossie1600 09-29-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1334974)
Yes, I used to hate rich people. Now that I am middle-class, middle-class is no-longer "rich", and I hate poor people AND rich people. Reality sucks :roflpuke2:

Apparently to the politicians, there are only two types in this country. There is the people that are on welfare according to the repubs. There are the people that are f - u rich according to the demos. I am going to round up and say the percentage is 20%/10% for the welfare and rich dudes. Where did the rest of the 70% go.....

HKYStormFront 09-29-2011 08:28 AM

had to be a base model with a crappy driver. even the CarreraS and 4S are stupid fast... guess it depends on what year too. porsches are amazing vehicles and (thankfully) leaps and bounds from where they were 10 years ago both in vehicle dynamics and especially interior. still to this day, two of my "best car i've ever driven" test drives were of porsches, one a cayman S and the other a 997 GT3. both of these cars are life changers

b1adesofcha0s 09-29-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1334784)
LOL don't feed Red, the troll.

Fixed for accuracy :tiphat:

Sibze 09-29-2011 11:16 AM

I'd take a 911 over a Z any day...

Red__Zed 09-29-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 1335578)
I'd take a 911 over a Z any day...

Porsche fanboi, gtfo of the forum

b1adesofcha0s 09-29-2011 11:21 AM

Read my "drives" :roflpuke2:

ImportConvert 09-29-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1335229)
had to be a base model with a crappy driver. even the CarreraS and 4S are stupid fast... guess it depends on what year too. porsches are amazing vehicles and (thankfully) leaps and bounds from where they were 10 years ago both in vehicle dynamics and especially interior. still to this day, two of my "best car i've ever driven" test drives were of porsches, one a cayman S and the other a 997 GT3. both of these cars are life changers

A 997 4S in 5th gear from a highway roll is about equal to a 370Z going all-out.

Sibze 09-29-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1335586)
Porsche fanboi, gtfo of the forum

Ok so, some dude walks up to you and says:

Here are two cars. Both are the same colour. One is a Z and one is a 911.

Which one are you going to take?

Red__Zed 09-29-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 1335613)
Ok so, some dude walks up to you and says:

Here are two cars. Both are the same colour. One is a Z and one is a 911.

Which one are you going to take?

Trick question- pick the m3.

Red__Zed 09-29-2011 11:38 AM

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...threepeat.html

Best rwd car out there. It is indisputable.

b1adesofcha0s 09-29-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1335622)
Trick question- pick the m3.

:iagree:

Sibze 09-29-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1335622)
Trick question- pick the m3.

:bowrofl::roflpuke2::bowrofl::roflpuke2:

HKYStormFront 09-29-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1335594)
A 997 4S in 5th gear from a highway roll is about equal to a 370Z going all-out.

and that matters why? i was referring to the "whole package" not just one specification :shakes head:

shadoquad 09-29-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 1335613)
Ok so, some dude walks up to you and says:

Here are two cars. Both are the same colour. One is a Z and one is a 911.

Which one are you going to take?

Which is cheaper to insure/maintain/operate? I'd probably take the 911 but sell it quicker. I bought a Z cuz I could afford one.

ImportConvert 09-29-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1336023)
Which is cheaper to insure/maintain/operate? I'd probably take the 911 but sell it quicker. I bought a Z cuz I could afford one.

Oil changes aren't that bad, and warranty is warranty. If it had CCB's, it would not need brakes done for quite a while.

Waiz 09-29-2011 07:03 PM

If you have to ask......

370Zsteve 09-29-2011 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 1334811)
The 911 suck if you can't afford one

:bowrofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee (Post 1335051)
Even Danica Patrick won one race.

:gtfo2: :icon23:

370Zsteve 09-29-2011 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 1335613)
Ok so, some dude walks up to you and says:

Here are two cars. Both are the same colour. One is a Z and one is a 911.

Which one are you going to take?

The 911. Then when I take it in for it's first service, I'll weep.

Sibze 09-29-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1336699)
The 911. Then when I take it in for it's first service, I'll weep.

Ya I'm not arguing that the Porsche will cost more. Just saying if they both cost the same on every level. I'd have a Porsche right now lol

shadoquad 09-29-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1336589)
Oil changes aren't that bad, and warranty is warranty. If it had CCB's, it would not need brakes done for quite a while.

Oil changes are hella expensive, but there are far less of them. And true that on Ceramic Brakes. However, if anything breaks that is not covered by warranty, whoa nelly.

And if you're planning to track, it may be too much. A local guy sold his 911 for that reason. The Z's not as fast, but it's relatively cheaper to maintain for track thrashing.

370Zsteve 09-29-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1336854)
Oil changes are hella expensive, but there are far less of them. And true that on Ceramic Brakes. However, if anything breaks that is not covered by warranty, whoa nelly.

And if you're planning to track, it may be too much. A local guy sold his 911 for that reason. The Z's not as fast, but it's relatively cheaper to maintain for track thrashing.

Any parts coming from Europe are hella expensive. Anything. The $ to € conversion is a killer - parts for my Benz make me weep. It's the reason I went back to Japanese.

Sibze 09-29-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1336854)
Everything but Z's are a waste of money

:p

shadoquad 09-29-2011 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sibze (Post 1336878)
:p

:rolleyes:

b1adesofcha0s 09-29-2011 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 1336876)
Any parts coming from Europe are hella expensive. Anything. The $ to € conversion is a killer - parts for my Benz make me weep. It's the reason I went back to Japanese.

When you have to overnight parts from Japan, they fetch a premium a week before Race Wars :bowrofl:

370Zsteve 09-29-2011 08:38 PM

Top Secret, baby! :bowrofl:

ImportConvert 09-30-2011 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1336854)
Oil changes are hella expensive, but there are far less of them. And true that on Ceramic Brakes. However, if anything breaks that is not covered by warranty, whoa nelly.

And if you're planning to track, it may be too much. A local guy sold his 911 for that reason. The Z's not as fast, but it's relatively cheaper to maintain for track thrashing.

How often would you drive the 911? I wouldn't DD it. Oil changes on my car are $130 a piece. I would imagine the 911 is between 2 and 400, and includes a full going over by trained techs. If you can afford a $85K+ car, $200-400 on an oil change isn't the end of the world. It's more like 4-6 tanks of gas. Now when you consider that 3K mile oil changes are a thing of the past (My current DIC read-out estimates for my car that the next change is due at 16K miles based on driving conditions, etc. It has 3500 on it now.)

Basically, oil-changes happen once a year unless tracked. $500 a year price to play? Cheap.

Tracking a P-car, though, I agree with is expensive. Tracking ANY $85K+ car is expensive. If it weren't, a lot more of us would do it. Kindof like being in shape. It takes WORK, or everyone would have a 6-pack set of abs and squat 500+

shadoquad 09-30-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1337535)
How often would you drive the 911? I wouldn't DD it. Oil changes on my car are $130 a piece. I would imagine the 911 is between 2 and 400, and includes a full going over by trained techs. If you can afford a $85K+ car, $200-400 on an oil change isn't the end of the world. It's more like 4-6 tanks of gas. Now when you consider that 3K mile oil changes are a thing of the past (My current DIC read-out estimates for my car that the next change is due at 16K miles based on driving conditions, etc. It has 3500 on it now.)

Basically, oil-changes happen once a year unless tracked. $500 a year price to play? Cheap.

Tracking a P-car, though, I agree with is expensive. Tracking ANY $85K+ car is expensive. If it weren't, a lot more of us would do it. Kindof like being in shape. It takes WORK, or everyone would have a 6-pack set of abs and squat 500+

IC, I agree. I said Porsche oil changes are expensive, but far less frequent. Basically the same thing. It seems like a lot to pay for one, but when you're only getting one instead of 4-5 annually, it's not bad.

ImportConvert 09-30-2011 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1338290)
IC, I agree. I said Porsche oil changes are expensive, but far less frequent. Basically the same thing. It seems like a lot to pay for one, but when you're only getting one instead of 4-5 annually, it's not bad.

Yep. Now tracking the car would definitely be expensive compared to tracking a 370Z.


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