BMWs are built well and drive real nice. But half of the driving experience is marketing hype and decades of being in the back pocket of Car & Driver writers. :bowrofl:

My thoughts exactly. All the other BMW's aren't that amazing looking. New 3 series (F30?) does look better than the previous gen though. 6 series also looks kind of nice, but not amazing.

Yeah pretty much. Without access to its interior or the driving experience, the rest of the car is meh. I think I may prefer the CTS-V over the M5, but I'd really have to drive both to get a final opinion.

They were doing shakedown runs with the CTS-V's at Spring Mountain when I was there, in preparation for a large demonstration for a bunch of South American auto dealers.

The new cars got the diff's hot FAST, and they were very quick. That is about all the instructors said about them. They really liked them other than the diff's, which may have been just part of break-in, but I have heard they run hot. I considered CTS-V Coupe...but the ***...and I live in the south, and I just couldn't deal with the steriotype that car has around here.

Any reasons why the discussion turned to BMW's?

Is there a problem? Honestly if the thread is civil it should be allowed to go where it may. Obviously it's centered around 5.0s so we can return to that when necessary, but there's no reason why it can't take a civil tangent or two.

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The problem is that it doesn't stay that way for long and the :crying: starts

Well if that happens then you do what you gotta do, but so far so good. :tup:

:( I just knew you'd say that, you insensitive clod! I promised myself I wouldn't cry. :crying:



Ok, I think it's under control... Nope, I think I've got more tears coming...


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BMWs are potential 5.0 competitors so it's still relevant :p

:yum: 5.M3 :yum:

5.S2k

5.mz

5.MZi TT

Oooooooo

Because its a pony car, and girlies and old men who don't care so much about chassis rigidity like to have their hair and toupees whipping in the breeze.

How much can the FJ tow?

5000lbs when properly equipted I believe.

Why not?:icon17:

2013 the Mustang V6 models are keeping the same base prices as the previous year. The V6 base coupe $22,995
premium V6 coupe $26,995
V6 convertible base $27,995
V6 premium $31,995

2013 Mustang GT base coupe $31,095 increase of $1,100
premium model Mustang GT increase of $200 to $35,095
2013 Mustang GT convertible model base model going for $36,095 (increased $1,110)
premium at $40,095 ($1,200 increase)

2013 Mustang Boss 302 $42,995, up $2,000
Laguna Seca $2,000 increase to $49,990.

No pricing on the GT500, but a natural progression would be $55k base

^ are you still deciding on the Z to Stang "up"grade, Lemers? :)

As far as the price for the 2013 Shelby, rumor has it at 65k, a relatively large increase over the 2012. I'm not happy about the pricing, but for the improvements in all aspects, maybe it's ok....

Dan I hope you're joking??? CTS V?.................

$65k for 200+ mph is reasonable!

I love the caddy. I'd want one more than a beemer or merc.

65k isnt too bad for the gt500, that's what most of 07 gt500 owners paid back in 06 lol. But I'd much rather a 2010 GTR... Or pay a little more for a cayman R.

Yeah I'd probably go for a GTR too but if you really want a GT500, it's a good deal given what you're getting. I bet they initially sell for $80k+ though with markup.

GTR is more than that without markup ;)

You could find a used one (maybe not an 10) for around $65k.

My new GT500 smells like new car.
Steve's used GTR smells like someone else's farts.

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You're right Steve... I totally forgot about that. The markup, esp initially. That is insane.

I did talk to my dealer though, and he'd get one for me at MSRP no problem. (note, not invoice). Now if only I could scrounge up 65k plus tax..... hmmmm

on a Ford related note: I test drove a Focus last weekend, as a possible replacement for my aging Civic with 100k miles. That focus was such a delight to drive. No wonder it was one of 10 best c and d. Steering and chassis coupled with peppy engine. Yummy. No ST for me though, must be automatic for wife to be able to drive it... shucks.

There is a nice red one with just a few thousand miles on it for sale for $69K at my local dealership. 2010. Looks to be the Premium edition, but I'm not 100% sure how to tell as I'm not a GTRphile.

The Focus is nice.

I'm buying an S2000 very soon so I'll be set car wise. 2011 Mustang GT, 2003 Mercedes CLK500, and 2005 Honda S2000. :tup:

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That's an awesome stable

Yup. The CLK is my girl's car. We're going 50/50 on the S2K which is nice. Parts are generally cheap for that car, and they're even cheaper when you split it 50/50. :icon17:

I hate you so much.

Would have been better if there was a 370Z in there, maybe a roadster. :stirthepot:

Does yours not like the S2K?

But... but... I want a proper sports car. :stirthepot:






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