Yeah, I guess that's why I recommend the 370Z to people that want a real sports car. :rolleyes:

So it's untrue, is it?

Well fanboys only speak untruths, so..........:bowrofl:

Ok, so I'm the only one who's noticed that these guys talk all the time about how clunky their Z's were.

Fine, I'm alone in this. Whatever.

All praise to the glorious Coyote Motor :bowdown:

Shado... you need to calm down bro. When did I ever state the Z was a $hitty car? When? Like every car, it has issues yes... but I LOVED my Z. I moved on not BECAUSE of the tranny or whatever else. I moved on because I NEEDED A BACK SEAT FOR MY SON (and my soon to be 2nd child). The fact that the 5.0 has (IMO) a better tranny than the Z, is a BONUS. Do I feel the 5.0 is a BETTER car than the Z? In some respects, yes. In some respects, no (for example, looks... Z is better IMO). But no, I didn't trade up because I needed a faster car. And even if I DID, so what? Why is that a bad thing?

I don't get your rant. You love your car, and it's perfect for you, great. But just know that it's not perfect for EVERYbody, and we're free to express our opinions.

NONE of us, (Dan, Steve, etc) EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER stated this. Please don't put words in our mouths. In fact, we give credit when credit is due. I loved my Z for when I owned it. But for now, I feel the 5.0 suits my liking more. You interpret things WAY out of proportion bro. Calm down.

At ease gentlemen.

I admit I jumped the gun, but there's always an undercurrent of resentment any time I see Z jokes made by 5.0wners, even to bash mindless trolls.

It's my baby, boys. I let pride get in the way.

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Well they are speaking from the perspective of being previous owners. There were things they didn't like about the car, enough so that they got rid of it. I don't see what's wrong with them discussing why they did it, they're just expressing their opinions. It doesn't bother me one bit and it won't affect how I feel about my Z. They are talking about legitimate issues that the Z has. If no one talks about them, then they never get fixed. Steve has also expressed that he would love to get another Z in roadster form, so I don't see why you're labeling him as a Z hater.

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bcuz i want to load it with kittens and push it off a cliff of course! :bowrofl:

Really though, I think we can just drop it. :tup:

Chris Cruz's 2011 5.0 Runs a 9.70 @ 145MPH on 20" Drag Radials - Ford Mustang Forums


Psh, still a hundredth of a second off from my record....week saws

Can't we all just get along. Think of the children.

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whoa what happened here.....lol

side note...i found this super impressive his mod list is shorter than mine...damn e85 for this car is KING

11.31 Thru the Stock Air Filter: - SVTPerformance

Damn. Wish I was back someplace where e85 is plentiful....I'd run it on both cars.

we have a total of 5 stations here in SA....its even safer! I would be living gas station to gas station though....damn

getting back on topic...

Just called MGW... they aren't shipping the shifters till next week :( They are waiting on dust covers. Sigh............. It better get here before my car. Lol.

/\ not always, but sometimes, perhaps, but then again, it's human nature to want to believe that what you have now is better than what you used to have, noboby wants to think their new car isn't better than their old car.

Alot folks on here keep bashing the new 'stang for no good reason too, I find that extremely annoying as well, esp in a 5.0 specific thread. I think everyone needs to just take a breath and count to 10.

/\ the children don't factor into the Z folks' mind cause we don't have back seats. :happydance:

:icon18: omg....well played

Who is "you guys?"

I think you really have some comprehension issues because it seems like you think all we do is attack the Z. If we ever talk about any problems with the Z you and others seem to take it as "hating" or "bashing" when it's simple discussion.

I, for one, don't hate on the Z, nor have I likened its transmission to garbage. But, you are in denial if you act like they never had problems. Maybe yours is fine (mine was too, for the most part), but a number of the 2009s had well documented synchro issues. Many transmissions were replaced or repaired.

It appears the transmission issues were fixed on the later model years.

You did bring up a good point in a previous post, where you attributed some of the transmission complaints to inexperienced users. While the synchro problems were legitimate, there are a lot of complaints from inexperienced drivers about the clutch chatter and the loud throwout bearing in neutral... there is nothing mechanically wrong going on there that would ever lead to a failure, it's just noise that people aren't used to.

The same is true for the MT82 -- there are a lot of people coming over from other cars that have never felt a notchy cold shift or a little bit of whine in their lives before. That's not to say there were never any legitimate issues with the transmission, as there are have been a number of replacements for 2011 models, and there has probably been some undocumented revision to the transmission for 2012+, just like there probably was with the 370 in/after 2009.

There are a number of people here that seem to take any criticism of the Z as hate. A lot of those people are the same ones that openly hate on the 5.0, in the 5.0 thread, and get their panties in a wad at the mere sight of some slight non-hateful criticism. :rolleyes:

But according to your sig they are already in your garage:icon14:

Maybe you aren't driving fast enough. :stirthepot:

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As long as we can all get along and have happy happy joy joy time at ZDayZ, it's all good. :tup:

who?? who are these people then?? Might as well sing it, since we are doing passive agressive attacks here....i know its not me...I LOVEE the 370Z and if it hadnt quit on me, id prob still be in it.

I honestly havent seen this so "z Bashing":ugh2:

I should update that. I meant my mufflers :D Soon, shifter will be too.

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yeah... i dont see it...

men shouldnt have to be explaining themselves to much anyway...we are on a CAR forum...thick skin is a must

There is Z hating going on, whether or not you recognize it when you do it. It happens. People step on each others' toes.

If someone takes my name and trolls other forums, wtf do I care? They're not really me. AK won't ban me because some moron on another forum pretends he's shado.

There's only one shadoquad on this forum, and here's how you know *lowers pants to show birthmark*

I don't think I have been bashing anything. Just been openly cross shopping the Z, s2k, and the 5.0. All three are sex. just different flavors. And its a hell of a decision and I am taking my time.

Just gotta say though, you could take all the negativity on this board and blend it together and it still won't compare to how immature and negative clubrsx is.

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For the most part this is a very mature and friendly forum. Many people will agree that this is def one of the better car forums EVER. I personally do think there are slight attacks on the Z, intentionally or unintentionally in here but who cares. Everyone isn't always gonna see eye to eye and I think the competition is fun. People are always gonna defend the car they own and since most of us are passionate car guys sometimes things get a little outta hand. I dont take ANYTHING I read on here to heart. This is a 5.0 thread so let them say what they want, at least in here. Let me add that for the most part these guys offer up techinical advice and compare the two cars. Things they say at times can be taken the wrong way by some people but you just have to deal with it. I dont think any of them really "hate" it. Like m4a1 said he is interested in a roadster. Im rambling let me get back to BF3.

I've not once attacked the Mustang, I might add.

A little teasing about the car's reputation as a redneck car or that SRA means it can't handle. Both of these things are obviously not true, so imo that's good natured ribbing.

As promised:

5.0

This car was a real surprise to me, and it doesn't really surprise me that most people still don't accept it for what it is. Check out the Motortrend videos where they stack it up against an M3 for a pretty good idea of what the car is about...then take one for a spin to get a REAL idea of the beast this car is.

The power is the first thing most people talk about on the car, and rightfully so. Over 400 hp and nearly 400 ft/lb of torque is nothing to sneeze at, and the car is a power monster. We are talking no-problem power-on oversteer on demand, "go" power that is only traction-limited, etc...but it is really not the major story with the car, at least in my opinion....

Why?

The handling prowess of the new 5.0 is absolutely, disgustingly amazing. The car bites in sharp, corners flat, and exits with as much power as you could hope for. Balance is incredibly neutral, meaning you are using all four tires at the limit (side note: this neutral handling is awesome for actual track use, generating great feel and response, but costs on skidpad grip, since it is (misleadingly) done in a throttle-on state)

Even relative to my Z with the best alignment I could find for it (no front toe, 3* camber in the front, 2.5* in the rear), the Mustang holds its own. Against a stock alignment Z, the Mustang bites in far harder and seems much more eager to dig into a turn, belying its obesity.

The 6 speed trans is very impressive. The 5 speeds available in previous 'stangs got the job done, but never impressed me much. The trans in my 5.0 is a slick unit with fantastic feel.

Of course, as with any car, it is not all peaches and cream. The most obvious complaints with the mustang are the looks (subjective), interior(subjective), and the rear suspension.

I've got no problem with the first two. I don't mind either, and they are lower on my priority list anyways-- I'm driving the car, not looking at it. Other people who have different priorities may feel differently, and since they are subjective anyway, no sense giving you my opinion. Take a look at one and judge for yourself.

Now onto talking about suspension, where I bring up the issues created by the solid rear...wait....

The car catches a lot of flak for the SRA, but in my 6k or so miles, I've found it to be a non-issue, not having upset it once on the street. In contrast, the 07 mustang that I test drove a while back was a legitimately scary experience that resulted in me swearing off the S197 for a while. In my opinion (and corroborated by several other drivers), the mustang SRA is more stable than the bump-steer-prone 370z multi-link for street use, which means you won't run into any problems.

The real "issue" with the rear is a pair of floaty dampers that get flighty when cornering over 90mph. Swapping them out for Koni Yellow's seems to address that, although I am still on stock suspension and have no issues driving quite spiritedly (on the street). For high speed track use, swap them.

The Mustang also feels "big." I actually hated it the first time I drove it. The car is huge, and it is a completely different feel from the Z. I can say you do get used to it (and this is coming from a guy who wondered if he would ever get used to the ridiculous size of the 370z). Do I wish the car was smaller/lighter? Sure, but it notably outhandles a variety of lighter cars, so I am pretty happy with it.

Steering feel is pretty bland as well. Not impressed with it, but at the same time not tremendously bothered by it.




The brembo package is a must. In addition to the great looking wheels/brakes, the car stops faster than sport package Z, rocks some excellent Pzeros all around, and includes some slightly revised spring rates, traction control tuning, etc. It's freaking great.

Overall,* I freaking love this car, and it kind of annoys me that it was introduced without a lot of separation from the previous gen mustang-- it catches a lot of flak from ignorant people who don't understand the revisions that have been made....on the other hand, the community is full of enthusiasts (similar to the way the 370z community used to be), which is always a great perk with a car. Barring anything catastrophic, I see myself actually keeping this car for quite a while--which will be quite a change for me. Who knows how that will actually turn out though....

Cliff notes:
Neutral handling is sweet
tons of power
steering is bland
rear dampers are floaty

sorry i just watched the video but holly shitt. Thats tons of power.

Aside from the 370/5.0 comparisson...

How is it compared to your (I'm assuming) fully built s2k? I'd like to see that...

Basically, IF one was to fully mod a Z to full track worthiness, how do you think it would compare?

Soo... can we keep this thread open now?

please do. That mustang is crazy. Wondering how the hell its able to keep all that power.

It was reopened awhile back by one of the mods.

inorite? It made me almost want to build another drag car

It's really hard to say. My S was not really set up to optimize circuit track performance, just to make power and lay it down, whereas every mod I made on my Z was focused on improving feel. I imagine it would be hard to set up an s2k that could keep up with a fully prepped FI Z, provided you could find a way to dispose of all the heat in the Z's engine bay.

I sense an underwater Z in the future... :icon08:


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