5 cars that could save detroit
 

April edition of Popular Mechanics:

1. Caddy Converj
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/gre...arter_view.jpg

2. 2010 Ford Taurus
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....taurus_opt.jpg

3. 2010 Buick Lacrosse
http://www.newcarpark.com/blog/image...k-Lacrosse.jpg

4. Chrysler 200c ev
http://m.global-report.com/seattle/i...4c9453ba76.jpg

5. 2010 Lincoln MKT
http://www.icars.sg/wp-content/uploa...coln-mkt-1.jpg


Discuss

I really dont like any of them

I hate to say this, but the Ford Taurus is stepping it up now....uurrrrhhhhh

The caddy looks great, but obviously that will be $87340809234, so I'm not sure how a specialty car can save detroit.
The Chrysler is good lookin, but not my type of car. And the others? No thanks.

the caddy looks like crap..........the Taurus is the only good in terms of reliability when compared to the other ones posted

You crazy, that caddy is slick. Maybe a little over the top on the front, but that **** usually tones itself down when it makes it to production anyway. :D

Caddy is the styling for the new CTS guys. It wont cost that much, the eflex version will be 60,000. PS you forgot the Camaro and volt you can remove the lincoln MKT. The Caddy will be huge because of the styling and then the eflex. The taurus brings back a performance sedan with real balls. The LaCrosse in person is even more stunning and keeps moving Buick toward a real renaissance, especially with the opels coming. Finally if that Chrylser survives it will bring affordable ev to the masses in a sweet package. The Camaro is obvious with the 14000 pre orders already it fill that performance hole for the everyman. Then Finally the volt it might not have the greatest styling but the Publicity, PR and mass production of the first Eflex platform to the masses is huge!

Uhh, I didn't forget anything, not my list.
A $60K car (if you can even get it for sticker since it's a hybrid) is too expensive for most people, therefore cannot be the savior of detroit imho.
The g8 brought back the performance sedan with balls, and it has higher interior quality.

one I didnt say you frost, lol
2. its not a hybrid my friend EFLEX is an electric car and the small engine inside is to only keep the car charged. It can go 40 miles without using a drop of gas, afterwords the engine kicks in to recharge the battery. Its a plug in alla the volt.

Everything other than gasoline = gets called a hybrid by frost. It could run on hamster power, and I'd still call it a hybrid. :D
But yes, it's an electric using EFLEX, like the volt.

ahhhhh I see frostman lol

The caddy will probably drastically change looks when it hits production, just like the volt did. That thing doesn't even have legal side mirrors, lol.

You're pulling my leg, they're all the same car!

Seriously, they all have the exact same style cues.

the production volt look horrible compared to the original pictures

If the caddy makes it to production, GM's going to test the waters first. They'll produce about 2000 of them a year (like they did with the first year of the Solstice GXP) and find out what the demand is so that they can price it as high as they can. This is what they do with ALL GM cars. The formula is simple:

Total cost of production at n units = Cn
Demand under specific conditions = D
(Cn / D) = Cost to produce exactly what's demanded = Cp

Then surveys are taken to figure out what people are expecting to pay for the car and what they're willing to pay for the car. Those numbers average out for GM. If the numbers are at least twice the price of Cp, the car is put to a vote by the board to put it into production. Otherwise, nope.

Of course, this is a guess, but it's a VERY obvious formula. You can use it with any car and compare the numbers and **Tah Dah** the price of the car fits like glove.

When GM had ideas about doing a LSx-style V12 to build the "super vette", they didn't let anyone know how much they were planning to charge for it. But as usual number were rumored around the internet and came up with an absurd 100K+ price tag. Later on we find out about the blue devil. And today, the ZR-1 costs 120K.

As long as people keep saying that they EXPECT to pay around 60-80K for a small caddy, that's what they WILL end up paying for it.

I'll have you know that the lincoln's grill is divided in the middle :D

yea the volt got screwed by the wind tunnel, the concept design did horrible in it so they had to soften it

Absolutely correct! If they had not put their foot in their mouth advertising how far it would go FIRST, then maybe we could have gotten a better looking car and 5 miles less per charge.

:tiphat:

well you have to figure volt will be 40000 so the caddy is gonna get a sh*t load of gadgets etc to justify the 60000 for the eflex.

Chrysler will die! GM I'd say is 60/40! Ford with the Mustang and F-Series, trucks, plus their "cop car" will make it through and survive!

I would have been willing to spend $40k on the original volt, but 40K is steep for an ugly car. ;]

I was just thinking "I wonder what happened to the on again off again chrysler/gm merger?"

That's sounds right... Although, I'd say they're closer to the 40% chance of survival than the 60%

The only way I forsee this happening is through a forced merger after bankruptcy by the govt if not I dont think GM will do it! They want to get smaller and leaner not bigger.

I think that would be suicide for GM.

Crap, that's what I meant !:owned:

I didn't think the volt was ugly. But 40K is still steep for that car. We're not talking terribly expensive battery packs here... 40 or 60 miles on Lithium Ions doesn't cost as much as everyone's been b!tching about. Thunder Sky sells them at about $17K for 33KwH. (And those are old prices too) So that'd be about 180-200 miles depending on how efficient the car is. So if you factor in the prices that GM is getting the batteries at, they're likely spending less than 3K per car for the batteries. 5K for the motor/controller, and 1K for the ICE engine. There's no transmission. They're probably spending 13K total for the entire car including labor.

40K is a lot to ask in this economy for a car that only cost them 13K. If they were smart, they'd put the car's MSRP at around 28K.

Why do they all have to have so much chrome? It's a freaking eye sore... especially the window trim. I hate it.

Because America let "bling" become a popular word?

im sure the chrome will be toned down on the caddy, besides man what would you have done in the 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, lol CHROME everywhere

At least they didn't use as much chrome as they did in the Saturn Sky. I think if you strip the chrome of the sky, it'd be a REALLY nice looking car.

It's not as bad as the prius, for example. But compared to it's original version, it really got toned down

http://reviews.carreview.com/files/2...cept_3_med.jpg
http://reviews.carreview.com/files/2...lt_concept.jpg

After:
http://www.zargh.com/wpb/wp-content/...y-volt_021.jpg

Gahhh!! I never saw that pic... You're right. HIDEOUS!

What the hell. GM strikes again. They always have cool designs and then **BOOM** start from scratch so they can re-badge a car they've already got in production. Ghey!!!


Can you say "Hybrid Malibu?"
http://www.zargh.com/wpb/wp-content/...y-volt_021.jpg

^^^ Thats incorrect, Camaro, CTS, lacrosse, enclave etc etc all went from concept to production in great interpretation of the concept.

I think they have something against money.

Lol, spot on!

OK. Fine. There were a couple cars that they didn't do that to... Out of a line up of HOW MANY CARS?! Seriously, just because a few make it past the chopping block doesn't mean that they're not known for this garbage.

it looks fitting on older cars with sharp angles, but it just doesn't feel appropriate anymore.

+1

Frost. They hate money. That's why they're bleeding billions.

For the most part though, those are not reinventions. Even the camaro is based on the 69. The rest of them are the same old recycled stuff.

I'd rather buy this!
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